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I just wrote to the "bigotted" guy telling him that an illiterate jackass who couldn't spell "bigoted" was wrecking his reputation by writing letters under his name. I wonder if he'll even bother to reply?

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*g* Do keep us posted on that one - I'd love to see what happens.

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Here's his reply, with my letter. What a charming example of the white race. Makes me wish I *were* black, because this sure ain't the white race I belong to....

An illiterate, prejudiced relic who can't even spell "bigoted" correctly wrote a letter under your name to a college newspaper. You might wish to find this person and give him/her a talking to before your reputation is further damaged.

Illiterate? I seem to be able to express myself just fine. I don't tell someone they made a simple spelling error and then childishly claim it was in a letter they "correctly wrote," which is a complete contradiction to what she is claiming. And I know that literacy has nothing to do with misspelling a word now and then, but obviously you don't.

Whose illiterate now?

My I.Q. has been tested consistently at 136 to 140? But of course you won't believe that, will you?

My reputation is tarnished? For misspelling a word? What part of the Twilight Zone do you live in, Bitch?

Relic? So Ms. love and tolerance believes people older than she is, is a relic, eh? Heh, heh, heh.

It sounds to me like you use your middle finger way too much.

From the way you write, I'm guessing your I.Q. is in the 100 range, unless, of course, you're black, then it would be around 85, and that's being very generous.

And, unlike you, I'm not too cowardly or ashamed to give my name.

Robert Kelly

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Wow. I can't quite make my brain comprehend that that response isn't a prank. There can't really be people like that?

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Oh, I don't think it was a prank. Too much venom for a joke.

And yes, there are people like that. In every city. In every town. Looking and acting just like the rest of us.

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And here's the latest from Mr. Kelly, a sterling example of the White Pure Race. Don't you all want to be just like him?

Sorry, I tried.

And oh, in case it matters...I'm white, have a degree from an Ivy League school, have an IQ of 157, and know better than to make a public fool of myself.

You know better than to make a public fool of yourself? How about right now? Do you think I don't pass these emails along to the people in my neighborhood group?

Having a dumbed down affirmative action degree from anywhere means absolutely nothing nowadays. You proved that by the contradictory message you sent me.

You people all profess to be for love and tolerance of everybody, but you're the most hateful, biased, crowd I've ever seen in my life.

Not one of you has rebutted anything I've maintained with anything substantive, but have, instead, responded with insults and a lack of tolerance that would make the Third Reich blush.

Point, counterpoint, is unknown to you because you have been victimized so much by lowered educational standards, you couldn't come up with an intelligent response. You have rehersed lines you always give which sounds as if you were the result of some propaganda program from some Soviet Gulag.

And your I.Q. of 157. Sure, and the Pope's Jewish, isn't he? And you're super bitch, with a flare in your ass aren't you?

Why don't you pull your pants down, bend over, and I'll show you how much of a relic I am. I'll have a line waiting behind me also.

But then again that's probably something you would like.

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Dear sweet gods. This one's a real winner, isn't he? I love how he and his friends keep pushing the idea that the liberals are the biased Nazi types - the mind reels at the twisted logic there.

I've lost the ability to frame coherent complaints against this fellow in favor of just reading his arguments over and over and getting more and more frustrated that people can possibly be this horrifically stupid.

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If he wants a mean liberal, he's got one. Lemme pick up the slack on this one. I'll put the fear of the pantheon in him.

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And here's the latest (and God willing last) reply from this fine, upstanding citizen:

You keep talking about how I should be concerned about somebody knowing what might be said. My, my, my, how revealing that is about what really worries you.

Gee, this is going straight to a blog? And people are laughing at me? Oh, my heavens I'm going throw myself across my bed and cry myself to sleep. Gosh, I'll be really careful from now on, because the little brainwashed zombies might laugh at me. Heh, heh, heh.

And calling me "little?" Oh, really? Gee, you just get everything right, don't you?

What makes you think I'm an upstanding citizen? And also, who thinks they're from some kind of master race? You're a complete dope. Such thinking isn't anywhere near a part of me.

Yes, I'm very well to do financially, but don't call me an upstanding citizen. That's an insult. Besides upstanding, by-the-book-citizens, who are polite and kind are loved by you dorks because you can use them as whipping boys. I'm a renegade and I love it.

There's no way I've indicated racial superiority. The whole world thinks blacks are inferior. Because I agree doesn't make me think I'm part of a master race. You echoed that insult, because this Patronik told you so, and he learned from mama and papa Patronik that anybody that criticizes bad behavior among Jews, like murdering innocent Palestinian women and children, is a white supremacist. Or, as he calls it, an Aryan. He called me an Aryan before I ever exchanged insults with him. You don't know it but he hates you and your family as much as he hates me.

And if there's any laughing, it's laughing at you when they visualize you for having your drawers down in an awkward position. Everybody on this side got a chuckle out of it, too.

There you go again hysterically screaming stupid. If a person makes a typo, you exhibit your love and tolerant thinking, and regard them as an ignorant savage. Tell me again how misspelling "bigoted" is all the evidence needed to determine intelligence.

Tell me again your I.Q. is 157. Heh, heh, heh. Oh, I know what happened: You placed a 1 in front of the five by mistake.

I can tell you this much, though, I'd watch the insults if I were you, because I can get the P.I. who works for my company on background checks and find out anything I need to know. All it takes is money and I've got plenty of that.

You dorks got so much haunted house music playing inside your heads, you view anybody who doesn't agree with your stupid ideology as somebody sinister, so much so that it puts you in a ballistic mode, and you can think neither sanely nor rationally, and become totally unhinged. This qualifies as a sect or a religion. Reverse programming can be horribly cruel.

I'm through being civil with you disgusting bastards. I try to be reasonable and offer legitimate arguments and receive HATE instead. I despise the very ground you slither on.

"Upstanding citizen." Heh, heh, heh.

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OMFG! What a stupid asshole! It always stuns me to be reminded that there are still people this horrible in the world!

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I'm particularly amused by his "threats" to post my letters to his mailing list. I always wanted to be on bigotry@yahoo.com!

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P.S. I corrected his spelling again. Drives 'em nuts every time.

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"I'm through being civil with you disgusting bastards. I try to be reasonable and offer legitimate arguments and receive HATE instead. I despise the very ground you slither on"

That was civil and reasonable???????

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Hey, we're obviously too stupid to understand the workings of this example of the great white race. Or maybe he was just drunk.

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Erm. He obciously has more than just spelling problems. "Whose" should read "Who's" short for "Who is". If he were prouder of his heritage maybe he'd learn correct usage of the dialect...also, "My I.Q. has been tested" doesn't need that being verb...it's not incorrect but it weakens the writing and makes it passive - and that sentence is a statement, not a question, so why the question mark? His capitalization is ALL wacky - "Ms. love and tolerance - should capitalize at LEAST love, and possibly tolerance as well....but he makes up for it by capitalizing "Bitch", which should be lowercase, as it's not a proper noun. Er...and he has really awkward phrasing "seem to be able to" - can't he just say I CAN or even more precisely - I EXPRESS MYSELF

As a high school English teacher, I give this response a C-. His sentence fluency stinks and the structural/grammatical errors are horrific.

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He's no stylist, that's for sure. And he misread what I wrote (he didn't seem to realize that I used "correctly" as a modifier).

For someone with an IQ in the genius range, he has a remarkably poor grasp of English syntax. My mother would have flunked him for the profanity alone and made him take every quiz in Warriner's.....

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Hmm...I also wonder if he realizes that IQ tests have been steadily losing credence as true measures of intelligence over the last 20 years or so. As he amply demonstrates.

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And he gets an F in Ideas and Content, as far as I'm concerned. Bad writing, bad thinking... eh, why not be direct and just say "bad person."

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Let's see...I've gotten three replies so far, all with no text except the subject line.

Two identical posts were headed, "Gave up didn't you, chickenshit? Heh, heh, heh." I replied, "I have much better ways to waste my time than debating someone who makes me ashamed to be human, let alone white."

Most recent reply: "You should be ashamed to be human, because your P.C. trash." My response: I corrected his spelling. Again. For the third time.

Gee, that IQ in the 130s really is something else, isn't it?

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And now he's threatening me. Ho hum.

"Bend over and get ready. The boys are waiting."

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Right, because that kind of argument really strengthens his claims of superiority and high intelligence. I thought he was claiming to be at least above the age of fifteen?

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I get the distinct impression this guy is a frat boy.

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I don't think he'a above grade school age, let alone 15. Some of his arguements don't seem to address the comments that he seems to be answering. Or possibly, as Ellid pointed out, he's just drunk. Either way, he's scary.

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I hate to say it, but he's probably my age or older. Just because someone's stupid doesn't mean they're young.

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well, no, I know that he "IS" older, but the way he acts....NOT!

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Note to self: Don't go to Mississippi.

It's frightening that people can think that way.

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Exactly. I know there are plenty of very nice people in the South, but I'm quite happy in my little north-western corner of the country, thanks.

It really, really is.

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What's funny to me is that you have a comment like that with a Lucius Malfoy icon.

Irony, anyone?

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Actually the Lucius is my default. I deleted my other icons and uploaded new ones, so it reverted to my default. It was Remus earlier I think.

I do see the irony though. I must admit I almost did post that comment with Lucius but then decided against it. But of course my having a Lucius icon does not mean that I agree with his ideas of pureblood superiority. Actually my whole mental debate spawned a question as to whether there's anything in canon that suggests only white pureblooded wizards are DE's. Do they have a white supremacy belief mixed into their pureblood supremacy? It's interesting that race in general seems to be a non-issue in JKR's books. It's rather refreshing, but then you could the pureblood vs. muggle-halfblood issue is the same stuggle with different names and I suppose that's true. I think about these things a lot, see. Also, Harry Potter is fiction and Mississippi is real. So there's definitely a difference there. Anyway, I've probably rambled enough.

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I wasn't saying you chose it, I just thought it was hilarious.

I have read some interesting perspectives on that from fanfics, the best probably being from A Thousand Beautiful Things:

"I've never been in a more beautiful home, Malfoy. You know I grew up in a poor, segregated neighborhood - or maybe you didn't know. We didn't even have the Every Flavor Beans, let alone the servant. It's just different. I didn't mean to suggest it was bad."

Malfoy looked at him curiously. "Segregated? How did the Muggles know you were a wizard?"

He chuckled at Malfoy's confusion. "No, not like that. Of course they didn't know that. We lived in a neighborhood with other immigrants. A black neighborhood."

Malfoy didn't look any more enlightened. "A black neighborhood?"

"Yeah. I'm black. Didn't you notice?" He laughed nervously, then it suddenly struck him: "You don't know what I'm talking about, do you?"

The other man shook his head.

Dean found himself in the strange position of explaining racism to someone he'd always thought was the most racist wizard he'd ever known. Malfoy absorbed his explanation wordlessly.

"So it's just like the pure-blood and Muggle thing that the DEs believed," he finished.

"But skin color? That's just odd. It has no bearing on what kind of a wizard you are."

"No. But being born pureblood or not doesn't, either, does it? Once you're a wizard, you're either talented at it or you aren't. The rest is just a circumstance of birth. Like being black."

"I don't know."

Dean looked at him sharply. "Well, from my point of view, I haven't noticed any difference between being hated for being Muggle-born or being hated for being black."

Oh, but rambling is so fun!

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I've always figured that the Malfoys don't have any issue at all with race - they're only bigots when it comes to whether you're a pureblood, half-blood, or Muggle-born, in my mind. But that's just my view.

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I wrote a reply, but it was really, really long. It works as a new blog entry, I suppose.

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I always perfered the label "Pope Former-Nazi the XXVI", but I suppose yours is more politically correct.

I go to a very liberal Catholic high school (they exist, believe it or not), and pretty much everyone was flaming pissed when it was announced that Ratty one. No one's very fond of him, considering the majority of students are ~~militantly~~ rampantly feminist and progressive.

As for Mississippi, I'm not even going to waste my breath on something as foul as that.

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I do certainly believe that liberal Catholic schools exist - I've found the Catholics I know to be very accepting and generally quite liberal in their politics.

In defense of... well, not so much the Pope as defense of accuracy, I would point out that he ditched the Hitler Youth at great risk, and as soon as he could from the looks of the records I've seen. He's a crazy conservative, from what I can tell, not a Nazi.

Yeah, it was pretty much as foul as anything can get without actually rotting into nothingness.

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I posted a comment to them, wanted to share here (oh, the irony that we had a workshop on diveristy THIS afternoon):

First, I must admit I haven't read all the comments to this ad, so if I repeat someone else I apologize.

I am from a different university but have not seen this ad in our paper and so take this opportunity to discuss this issue. I agree that the ad has a valuable purpose: it raises and asks some very pertinent questions. However, it takes a biased look at the issue of the growing “white minority” in the United States. The ad asks, “Will this be good for America?” My answer is two fold: yes, it will be good for the United States, and secondly, what would we do to stop this trend and would these actions only engender more hate and bias, like the hate that drove the attacks on 9/11?

Yes, diversity is a powerful cause of friction between people, but it exists in the grand community of humanity worldwide and there is nothing we can do to change this fact. There is diversity across the planet and as a part of this world, a part of global politics and trade, communication and learning, we must interact with people who are different from us. It’s inevitable. It’s necessary. And we can choose to shun diversity, try to build an isolated box for ourselves to live in, or we can make an exercise in tolerance and open-mindedness.

The ad states, “Everyone tells you to ‘celebrate diversity,’ but for whites to ‘celebrate diversity’ is to celebrate their dwindling numbers and declining influence.” I say no. I chose to celebrate diversity by learning about others and starting a dialogue with those different from me. I don’t have to agree with those different from me, I don’t have to like them, but as a physician and a person, I must respect them and allow them to be different from me, because they allow me to be different from them. I must also point out that “diversity” isn’t just the color of my skin. It’s my gender, my beliefs, my sexual orientation, my religion, my language, my culture, my political background. For example, in this selection of comments, I am a minority of political belief. A democrat. Does it mean that I should be shunned, that my views should not be voiced? Is diversity in discussion a bad thing?

Diversity is not a choice, but a reality we must live. Everyone around us is different and the question of minority is simply how you chose to divide the population. Is it by race, or by religion? In conclusion, I would argue that diversity in a university lends to strength and not to weakness. As so many others have said, how can we have a dialogue if we do not express our diversity of opinion?

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Very well-said, Cora.

The sad thing is that the world is increasingly becoming so polarized between conservative viewpoints on all fronts and liberal viewpoints on all those same fronts, that I really am beginning to wonder where it will lead. Do we accept opinions like the ones offered by these people as "diversity?" Do they have just as much right to free expression of their beliefs as anybody else?

On some twisted level, I can see how they feel attacked... and feeling attacked by the liberals gives them a battlefield mentality, which makes them strong. We've got the same thing going on our side, too. And that sets up a powder-keg the magnitude of which I don't know what we can do with.

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It's a very dangerous situation and I can't help but thing it's set to blow up in our face in the near future. It's frustrating too, because while I try to see their point of view, why can't they see mine? Or at least try to see mine? I try to come to the table objectively, with open eyes, but I feel attacked as soon as anyone opens their mouth and I curl in on myself, censoring the things I say and the opinions I express. Why can't they meet me half way?

It's so challenging, so complicated, when it involves our most treasured values.

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Claiming persecution is the first step in militarizing and dehumanizing a perceived foe. Fortunately, in a political environment where liberals don't hold much sway and even the values of the educational system are being called into question, the nattering of the extremely far right won't have much of an effect on hardcore lefties. Remember that colleges and universities get attacked by the hard, wacko right all the time.

Bigots are afraid of college educated people. They know that in the 20th century, the university and colleges turned against the isolationist conservative. What they don't know is that even the other conservatives, in the interest of money and power, turned against the isolationist conservative.

They DO know, however, that they'll get the most reaction by staging their events and other crap in the context of the educational system. College professors and students have more time and idealism to get worked up about minor idiots on the political sidelines. That's why the NRL and Fred Phelps still stage college rallies rather than bothering with abortion clinics.

The fact that this ad slipped into the University of Mississippi's newspaper is hardly worth getting worked up about. Had it been the New York Times, I'd be over at Butch's Gun Shop seeing what they had in the way of idiot repellent.

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I totally agree with you that the ad ending up in U of Mississippi isn't exactly a shocker. My reaction was more one of frustration and exasperation at the reminder that these people still exist. I get the same feelings every time I hear about a school that still refuses to fund textbooks discussing evolution. Yeah, it's a "theory." A theory, if my religious friends will forgive me, based on a hell of a lot more evidence than anything else anybody has to offer. Theories, in science, can't be proven correct - they can only be disproven by contrevening evidence, of which there is none in this case. If people really feel the need to stick their heads under the sand and pretend that it's still the gods-damned thirteenth century and the only way to know anything is if the Bible told them so, that's great for them - don't fucking teach it in science classes, because that's not where it belongs. It belongs in church, and nowhere near a public school.

Long story short, I know these guys are the minority, and I know that even "their own side" is against them, because the big guys know it's not smart and won't get them anywhere to say shit like this. But it frustrates the hell out of me to know they're still out there.

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I see it as kind of analogous to disease. We will always have some form of human physical suffering. There will always be infections, genetic mutation and environmental causes for suffering. The job of a physician is to treat and prevent that suffering as much as possible. And I believe we've minimized racism to the point where blatantly racist outbreaks like this one are points of interest and alarm. We live in a world where AIDS news is old hat and rarely makes headlines without exceptional numbers or a pundit's words acompanying. But what about polio? When polio breaks out in some third world country, or when TB began to creep back, we heard about it. Distinct racism is the same way.

Our obligation isn't to respond to the rare and exciting outbreaks, but the constant infections that our society has to endure constantly. An idiot with bad spelling shouldn't frustrate or disturb us nearly as much as inner-city school closings or slashed low-income housing and secondary education grants. We should be outraged about the new revised bankruptcy codes, constant invasions into our privacy, and the rising backlash against legitimate affirmative action programs. I'll save my brain for the big money politics and the bottom of my shoe for some dumb shit racist in Mississipi.

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But yeah, it's frustrating.

That wasn't my best written response, but lack of sleep and television is a mind killing combo.

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