b5 rewatch
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rivendellroseSpoilers for the whole series beneath the cut!
Hunter, Prey
Sheridan: What do you want?
Kosh: Never ask that question.
And now he'll teach him 'how to fight legends.' Awwwww. ♥
Apart from this exchange and the bit with Kosh's ship (which is very pretty and looks like a weirdly fluorescent flower), I have little to say about this episode. Actually, I pretty much have nothing else to say.
There All the Honor Lies
Sheridan, of the gift shop: "This is demeaning. I mean, we're not some...some deep space franchise! This station is about something!" My long-standing love of Deep Space Nine compels me to faintly resent the implication that may or may not be inherent in this quote. ;)
Aaanyway. I adore Londo and his upset over the doll with no... attributes. And the scene with the human dressed in a Drazi mask and the Drazi dressed in a human mask. The whole idea of a space station having a gift shop with kitschy merchandise strikes me as funny, but then I remember all the funny little gift shops I've been to at zoos and museums and... I don't know, all over Tokyo and everywhere. So you know, it's probably a very good and realistic commentary. Also, The Boy noted that he can't quite figure out Sheridan's relationship with Susan - he seems to really like and respect her... but he only ever gives her the assignments he doesn't want to do. This is sadly a bit true, I notice.
And then Sheridan goes and does an exceptionally stupid thing. Some guy bumps into him and runs away, taking his link with him. Sheridan gives chase to retrieve his link, and runs into a Minbari, who refuses to get out of his way and tries to instigate a fight. They tussle, and then Sheridan is knocked to the ground, where he finds a mysterious, random PPG conveniently right by his hand. He grabs it and threatens the Minbari, who says "Death first!" and looks like he might be pulling a weapon, whereupon Sheridan shoots him. And then sees some terrified little Religious caste guy standing by where the guy falls to, staring in shock. The 2nd Minbari runs away, leaving Sheridan with the dead guy. Oops.
This does not at all look exactly like a set-up. I have to say, Delenn's not the only Minbari who has a good concept of exactly how smart Sheridan is and how to push his buttons.
Now, Delenn is understandably upset by this whole situation, since this is the guy she's planning to have her big Destiny with! So... she orders Lennier to go around investigating, because the other Minbari won't talk to her anymore. And then Na'Toth shows up! The real Na'Toth, not the weird impostor who's been hanging around with G'Kar lately! ♥ Except she's Human now, and she's a lawyer. And she's not around for very long, either. *Sigh* Seriously, I miss Caitlin Brown. I cheered when she showed up as Sheridan's lawyer (and was very pleased that I recognized her, too - it's the voice. And the jaw. That woman has an impressive jawline.
Long story short, Kosh has some faintly creepy curtains who look like they ought to be played by Doug Jones in some kind of disturbing mask sing hymns to Sheridan (awwwww), Londo saves Vir's career (AWWWWWWW), and Lennier betrays his clan-brother, Ashall, to prove Sheridan's innocence for Delenn (you can't tell me he would have given the slightest damn if Delenn didn't want him to do it) which is adorable and makes me ship them more than usual. And also makes me think that maybe, if it had happened at this point in the series, Lennier/Delenn/Sheridan would have worked out just fine. Except, you know, probably not for terribly long.
Oh, and there's an adorably embarrassing "face off" between Lennier and Ashan. Lennier's finally found a sparring partner with exactly the same stupid fighting pose. Bless.
And then Keffer dies from a head-on collision with a teddy bear. At least that's my version of how the episode ends. ♥
And Now For a Word
A very unusual episode, but I do like it. The commercial for the Psi Corps reminds me of late-night infomercials that I used to see when I was in my early teens, so... it must be very appropriate to commercials of its time. ;) I like how this episode really puts us into the universe that surrounds Babylon 5, even if it is a bit hokey at times. And the increasing badness between the Narn and the Centauri is appropriately horrifying. And... it apparently never occurred to Delenn that Humans might not be totally thrilled by the idea of her becoming half-Human.
Unsurprisingly, that last is the bit that I want to natter about for a bit.
See, I have this theory that in Delenn's mind, her experience becoming half-Human is a noble act of condescension - in the oldest meaning of the word, meaning lowering herself to our level and more or less for our betterment. Like in "Lord of the Rings" (almost exactly...) how Arwen lowers herself from being an elf, and becomes mortal so that she can marry Aragorn, thus raising the futures of Gondor via her line who will rule it. It's a very medieval concept - I don't think you can have this sort of condescension if you don't have a built in concept that some people are inherently more pure and better and all that than others, by virtue of their nature rather than by something that they do. In her mind, it is a great and noble and virtuous thing that she's done, stepping down so as to raise us up through her intervention... and it doesn't occur to her, I don't think, that it could be read as an insult or a travesty, until the moment when the reporter suggests that idea to her. It's a little naive, and more than a bit arrogant, but I do genuinely feel sorry for her in this episode - between this, and the incident with the GROPOS, and the way her own people are refusing even to speak to her, Delenn's really starting to realize that her Great Destiny isn't all that she'd imagined it to be, I think, and that's a tough revelation for someone like her.
In the Shadow of Z'ha'dum
In which Vir is awesome.
"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike, as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price. I want to look up into your lifeless eyes and wave like this. Can you and your associates arrange that for me, Mr. Morden?"
Even more delicious with foresight of what will come. ♥♥♥
Oh, look, it's the Ministry of Peace. Not like they're creepy and Orwellian and probably going to turn out evil! Oh, never! And of course Zack gets sucked in. If that man had two brain-cells to rub together, he might start a brush fire in his hair.
And Sheridan finds out about the Shadows and the First Ones, and that the Vorlons are the remnants of the First Ones. And there's a lot of sitting around staring at Morden (who, thankfully, is a good enough actor to be able to take all this attention without going bad). There's also some talk about Churchill and the destruction of Coventry, which is a really interesting dilemma (whether to save a city using information from a cracked code, which thereby reveals that the code has been cracked and will lead to the enemy creating a new code, which will eventually cause the loss of more lives (in theory) than the certainty of those deaths in that particular city), but... really, the parallel doesn't quite work. Morden isn't doing anything right now. There's no Coventry to save. Just Sheridan hoping that his wife and the rest of the Icarus aren't dead. The cynical side of me says that a smart person might realize "gee, if they had kept the people who refused to cooperate with them as prisoners, wouldn't they have done something with them by now? And, therefore, if I do see my wife again... she's probably a Shadow-slave, too, just like Morden!"
Unfortunately, Sheridan is neither cynical nor particularly smart, so this apparently doesn't occur to him. He does (eventually) let Morden go, though - but only after laying what could be considered groundwork for some of his future difficulties with Garibaldi. Then he is told that if he goes to Z'ha'dum, he will die. In true Sheridan fashion, he ignores this and immediately demands that Kosh teach him how to deal with the Shadows when he gets there. It seems fairly heroic at the time, but... in retrospect, is pretty much just typical of Sheridan. ♥
Knives
Energy being catches a ride in Sheridan, makes him see bright shiny patterns in things and then hallucinate an adorable winged monster with a pot-belly, the destruction of the Icarus, and his parents. Using this information, he returns the energy being to its home in a vortex of some kind in Sector 14 (where B4 disappeared, just to be sure you don't forget that B4 disappeared into some sort of temporal anomaly). Also, Sheridan apparently plays baseball. As does Garibaldi. I sort of want a crossover where Sheridan puts together a team to play Sisko & co. from Deep Space Nine. It'd be the ultimate 90s Space Station Sci-Fi Show Baseball Showdown, and I would be absolutely unable to decide who to root for. ♥
And Londo, who apparently felt he hadn't quite found bottom yet, kills his best friend. He does adopt his family, though, and he only had to kill him because Londo's new buddy Refa was going to have him declared a traitor and ruin his whole family. So, that's something.
Confessions and Lamentations
Delenn invites Sheridan to dinner, which requires Lennier not eating or sleeping for 48 hours, and Sheridan not eating until they've finished praying between every bite. And yet, they both still love her. That's some seriously impressive charisma. ♥ In all seriousness, I felt so badly for both of them during this scene - you can clearly tell they're both hoping she never invites Sheridan to dinner ever, ever again. And it does kind of make me wonder... what exactly does Lennier think the context of this dinner is? I mean, he apparently knows about the whole "bridge between our two peoples" thing that Delenn's been saying all this time, but... does he know exactly how she's planning to bridge that gap? I can't help thinking he'd probably not be quite so calm about the whole thing, even this early, if he did.
And then, disaster, plague, death. I have to say, I was very disappointed that it seemed to occur to precisely no one that the most obvious vector for a plague passing between another species and the Pak'mara... would be the Pak'mara doing what they do best - eating the dead bodies. Apparently that's not something we're going to talk about, even if it means "gee, it's awfully unlikely the rest of us are going to pick up this virus, unless we start eating the dead people, too!" I could be wrong here, it's not like I'm a pathologist, it's just one of those things that I would think someone might bring up.
Once again, I was impressed that they went ahead and killed everybody, even the cute kid. The Boy was convinced that we'd be able to save the kid at the last minute. Not so much - not actually how this show works.
Another thing that amused me - The Boy missed the lead-up to Delenn's feelings for Sheridan (...you know, the "WE HAVE A DESTINY, AND I AM GOING TO FLIRT WITH YOU SHAMELESSLY UNTIL YOU NOTICE!" feelings) until she had her hands all over his face when she was asking him to let her go into the plague room. (...With her Loyal Lennier, who is of course more than happy to die with her because, hello, HE LOVES HER THAT MUCH. In fairness, I don't think The Boy's noticed that one either, but it's more subtle... until later... and you probably only notice if you're like me and focus on him whenever he's in the room, unless Delenn's in the room, too, in which case you're focused on both of them. Ahem. Anyway.)
So. This leads me to an interesting piece of supposition that The Boy has come up with, because, poor thing, he still believes that the bit of Sinclair and Delenn romance that we saw in "Babylon Squared" is going to come true. He's convinced - flat convinced! - that the show is setting up Sinclair as the Big Hero who is out Doing Things, while Sheridan is the poor schmuck who's stuck behind a desk at B5, and that they're setting us up for a big sad thing where Sheridan and Delenn start to get together, but then Sinclair comes back and dazzles her with his awesome heroism and messianism and all and steals her from Sheridan. And then Sheridan kills Sinclair. ...Apparently this all happened in a really awesome Martin Scorsesee movie called "Departed" or something like that, which I have not seen and therefore cannot comment on, but... one way or another, my poor Boy is going to be very confused and disappointed when we get to "War Without End" Pt 2 and it comes out that, in point of fact, Sinclair is going back to Ancient Minbar, very much without Delenn, in order to go become Valen, and by the way, Sheridan really is the Big Hero Who Does Stuff and all. And Sinclair is just That Guy Who Did Stuff In The Past. And also, you know, Delenn's many-times great-grandfather. The funny thing is, he has all this set in stone in his head... and Sheridan is one of his favorite characters.
We also had a slightly hilarious conversation about how Sheridan and Delenn can't possibly work out together because she's too into ritual, and they'd never be happy if she's stopping every meal six times and making them pray for seven days before they have sex. And then at the end of the seven days, their biology might not even match. I tried pointing out that Sinclair's biology wouldn't match, either (*coughs* yet...), and he said that the Minbari probably fixed that back when he was held captive by them. I pointed out that he would probably have noticed that, but The Boy rebutted that the Minbari just changed his memory so he thought he'd always been this way. We agreed that (were this the truth) it might explain why he and Sakai broke up. ♥
I'm pretty sure I've managed not to let on that this is all going to fall apart under his feet, but I have a feeling that by the end of "War Without End," we're going to be bickering somewhat about whether the show led him in the wrong direction all along, or if he just stuck to a single piece of evidence with no corroboration except for an unrelated Mafia movie for way too long. ;)
The reason I think we're going to bicker about this is...
Divided Loyalties
In which My Boy insists that we were never given any indication that Talia and Susan were becoming at all friendly ever before this episode. (This might be a little bit like how we weren't given any indication that Delenn had a crush on Sheridan... or that Sheridan had a crush on Delenn... or that Sinclair isn't actually the hero of the show anymore...) The fact that I can describe complete scenes for him in which this was established does not seem to dissuade him. However, he was as thrilled as I to see the end of Talia, so... that's a win. ♥
Also, I think I'd forgotten how much I liked Lyta at the beginning, before her whole creepy-ass thing with Byron went down. She's quite fun. Particularly compared to Talia, who, as previously mentioned, is finally gone now, hooray!
Now I just have to get rid of Keffer and everything will be good. ♥
...And also forget everything about anyone who's ever been "intimately touched by the Vorlons" because now that whole scene with Kosh and Lyta just looks really creepy, and I know this isn't that Kosh, but... *Shudders* Anyway. Good episode. Glad to see Talia going away, and taking Andrea Thompson's horrendous acting with her.
Hunter, Prey
Sheridan: What do you want?
Kosh: Never ask that question.
And now he'll teach him 'how to fight legends.' Awwwww. ♥
Apart from this exchange and the bit with Kosh's ship (which is very pretty and looks like a weirdly fluorescent flower), I have little to say about this episode. Actually, I pretty much have nothing else to say.
There All the Honor Lies
Sheridan, of the gift shop: "This is demeaning. I mean, we're not some...some deep space franchise! This station is about something!" My long-standing love of Deep Space Nine compels me to faintly resent the implication that may or may not be inherent in this quote. ;)
Aaanyway. I adore Londo and his upset over the doll with no... attributes. And the scene with the human dressed in a Drazi mask and the Drazi dressed in a human mask. The whole idea of a space station having a gift shop with kitschy merchandise strikes me as funny, but then I remember all the funny little gift shops I've been to at zoos and museums and... I don't know, all over Tokyo and everywhere. So you know, it's probably a very good and realistic commentary. Also, The Boy noted that he can't quite figure out Sheridan's relationship with Susan - he seems to really like and respect her... but he only ever gives her the assignments he doesn't want to do. This is sadly a bit true, I notice.
And then Sheridan goes and does an exceptionally stupid thing. Some guy bumps into him and runs away, taking his link with him. Sheridan gives chase to retrieve his link, and runs into a Minbari, who refuses to get out of his way and tries to instigate a fight. They tussle, and then Sheridan is knocked to the ground, where he finds a mysterious, random PPG conveniently right by his hand. He grabs it and threatens the Minbari, who says "Death first!" and looks like he might be pulling a weapon, whereupon Sheridan shoots him. And then sees some terrified little Religious caste guy standing by where the guy falls to, staring in shock. The 2nd Minbari runs away, leaving Sheridan with the dead guy. Oops.
This does not at all look exactly like a set-up. I have to say, Delenn's not the only Minbari who has a good concept of exactly how smart Sheridan is and how to push his buttons.
Now, Delenn is understandably upset by this whole situation, since this is the guy she's planning to have her big Destiny with! So... she orders Lennier to go around investigating, because the other Minbari won't talk to her anymore. And then Na'Toth shows up! The real Na'Toth, not the weird impostor who's been hanging around with G'Kar lately! ♥ Except she's Human now, and she's a lawyer. And she's not around for very long, either. *Sigh* Seriously, I miss Caitlin Brown. I cheered when she showed up as Sheridan's lawyer (and was very pleased that I recognized her, too - it's the voice. And the jaw. That woman has an impressive jawline.
Long story short, Kosh has some faintly creepy curtains who look like they ought to be played by Doug Jones in some kind of disturbing mask sing hymns to Sheridan (awwwww), Londo saves Vir's career (AWWWWWWW), and Lennier betrays his clan-brother, Ashall, to prove Sheridan's innocence for Delenn (you can't tell me he would have given the slightest damn if Delenn didn't want him to do it) which is adorable and makes me ship them more than usual. And also makes me think that maybe, if it had happened at this point in the series, Lennier/Delenn/Sheridan would have worked out just fine. Except, you know, probably not for terribly long.
Oh, and there's an adorably embarrassing "face off" between Lennier and Ashan. Lennier's finally found a sparring partner with exactly the same stupid fighting pose. Bless.
And then Keffer dies from a head-on collision with a teddy bear. At least that's my version of how the episode ends. ♥
And Now For a Word
A very unusual episode, but I do like it. The commercial for the Psi Corps reminds me of late-night infomercials that I used to see when I was in my early teens, so... it must be very appropriate to commercials of its time. ;) I like how this episode really puts us into the universe that surrounds Babylon 5, even if it is a bit hokey at times. And the increasing badness between the Narn and the Centauri is appropriately horrifying. And... it apparently never occurred to Delenn that Humans might not be totally thrilled by the idea of her becoming half-Human.
Unsurprisingly, that last is the bit that I want to natter about for a bit.
See, I have this theory that in Delenn's mind, her experience becoming half-Human is a noble act of condescension - in the oldest meaning of the word, meaning lowering herself to our level and more or less for our betterment. Like in "Lord of the Rings" (almost exactly...) how Arwen lowers herself from being an elf, and becomes mortal so that she can marry Aragorn, thus raising the futures of Gondor via her line who will rule it. It's a very medieval concept - I don't think you can have this sort of condescension if you don't have a built in concept that some people are inherently more pure and better and all that than others, by virtue of their nature rather than by something that they do. In her mind, it is a great and noble and virtuous thing that she's done, stepping down so as to raise us up through her intervention... and it doesn't occur to her, I don't think, that it could be read as an insult or a travesty, until the moment when the reporter suggests that idea to her. It's a little naive, and more than a bit arrogant, but I do genuinely feel sorry for her in this episode - between this, and the incident with the GROPOS, and the way her own people are refusing even to speak to her, Delenn's really starting to realize that her Great Destiny isn't all that she'd imagined it to be, I think, and that's a tough revelation for someone like her.
In the Shadow of Z'ha'dum
In which Vir is awesome.
"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike, as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price. I want to look up into your lifeless eyes and wave like this. Can you and your associates arrange that for me, Mr. Morden?"
Even more delicious with foresight of what will come. ♥♥♥
Oh, look, it's the Ministry of Peace. Not like they're creepy and Orwellian and probably going to turn out evil! Oh, never! And of course Zack gets sucked in. If that man had two brain-cells to rub together, he might start a brush fire in his hair.
And Sheridan finds out about the Shadows and the First Ones, and that the Vorlons are the remnants of the First Ones. And there's a lot of sitting around staring at Morden (who, thankfully, is a good enough actor to be able to take all this attention without going bad). There's also some talk about Churchill and the destruction of Coventry, which is a really interesting dilemma (whether to save a city using information from a cracked code, which thereby reveals that the code has been cracked and will lead to the enemy creating a new code, which will eventually cause the loss of more lives (in theory) than the certainty of those deaths in that particular city), but... really, the parallel doesn't quite work. Morden isn't doing anything right now. There's no Coventry to save. Just Sheridan hoping that his wife and the rest of the Icarus aren't dead. The cynical side of me says that a smart person might realize "gee, if they had kept the people who refused to cooperate with them as prisoners, wouldn't they have done something with them by now? And, therefore, if I do see my wife again... she's probably a Shadow-slave, too, just like Morden!"
Unfortunately, Sheridan is neither cynical nor particularly smart, so this apparently doesn't occur to him. He does (eventually) let Morden go, though - but only after laying what could be considered groundwork for some of his future difficulties with Garibaldi. Then he is told that if he goes to Z'ha'dum, he will die. In true Sheridan fashion, he ignores this and immediately demands that Kosh teach him how to deal with the Shadows when he gets there. It seems fairly heroic at the time, but... in retrospect, is pretty much just typical of Sheridan. ♥
Knives
Energy being catches a ride in Sheridan, makes him see bright shiny patterns in things and then hallucinate an adorable winged monster with a pot-belly, the destruction of the Icarus, and his parents. Using this information, he returns the energy being to its home in a vortex of some kind in Sector 14 (where B4 disappeared, just to be sure you don't forget that B4 disappeared into some sort of temporal anomaly). Also, Sheridan apparently plays baseball. As does Garibaldi. I sort of want a crossover where Sheridan puts together a team to play Sisko & co. from Deep Space Nine. It'd be the ultimate 90s Space Station Sci-Fi Show Baseball Showdown, and I would be absolutely unable to decide who to root for. ♥
And Londo, who apparently felt he hadn't quite found bottom yet, kills his best friend. He does adopt his family, though, and he only had to kill him because Londo's new buddy Refa was going to have him declared a traitor and ruin his whole family. So, that's something.
Confessions and Lamentations
Delenn invites Sheridan to dinner, which requires Lennier not eating or sleeping for 48 hours, and Sheridan not eating until they've finished praying between every bite. And yet, they both still love her. That's some seriously impressive charisma. ♥ In all seriousness, I felt so badly for both of them during this scene - you can clearly tell they're both hoping she never invites Sheridan to dinner ever, ever again. And it does kind of make me wonder... what exactly does Lennier think the context of this dinner is? I mean, he apparently knows about the whole "bridge between our two peoples" thing that Delenn's been saying all this time, but... does he know exactly how she's planning to bridge that gap? I can't help thinking he'd probably not be quite so calm about the whole thing, even this early, if he did.
And then, disaster, plague, death. I have to say, I was very disappointed that it seemed to occur to precisely no one that the most obvious vector for a plague passing between another species and the Pak'mara... would be the Pak'mara doing what they do best - eating the dead bodies. Apparently that's not something we're going to talk about, even if it means "gee, it's awfully unlikely the rest of us are going to pick up this virus, unless we start eating the dead people, too!" I could be wrong here, it's not like I'm a pathologist, it's just one of those things that I would think someone might bring up.
Once again, I was impressed that they went ahead and killed everybody, even the cute kid. The Boy was convinced that we'd be able to save the kid at the last minute. Not so much - not actually how this show works.
Another thing that amused me - The Boy missed the lead-up to Delenn's feelings for Sheridan (...you know, the "WE HAVE A DESTINY, AND I AM GOING TO FLIRT WITH YOU SHAMELESSLY UNTIL YOU NOTICE!" feelings) until she had her hands all over his face when she was asking him to let her go into the plague room. (...With her Loyal Lennier, who is of course more than happy to die with her because, hello, HE LOVES HER THAT MUCH. In fairness, I don't think The Boy's noticed that one either, but it's more subtle... until later... and you probably only notice if you're like me and focus on him whenever he's in the room, unless Delenn's in the room, too, in which case you're focused on both of them. Ahem. Anyway.)
So. This leads me to an interesting piece of supposition that The Boy has come up with, because, poor thing, he still believes that the bit of Sinclair and Delenn romance that we saw in "Babylon Squared" is going to come true. He's convinced - flat convinced! - that the show is setting up Sinclair as the Big Hero who is out Doing Things, while Sheridan is the poor schmuck who's stuck behind a desk at B5, and that they're setting us up for a big sad thing where Sheridan and Delenn start to get together, but then Sinclair comes back and dazzles her with his awesome heroism and messianism and all and steals her from Sheridan. And then Sheridan kills Sinclair. ...Apparently this all happened in a really awesome Martin Scorsesee movie called "Departed" or something like that, which I have not seen and therefore cannot comment on, but... one way or another, my poor Boy is going to be very confused and disappointed when we get to "War Without End" Pt 2 and it comes out that, in point of fact, Sinclair is going back to Ancient Minbar, very much without Delenn, in order to go become Valen, and by the way, Sheridan really is the Big Hero Who Does Stuff and all. And Sinclair is just That Guy Who Did Stuff In The Past. And also, you know, Delenn's many-times great-grandfather. The funny thing is, he has all this set in stone in his head... and Sheridan is one of his favorite characters.
We also had a slightly hilarious conversation about how Sheridan and Delenn can't possibly work out together because she's too into ritual, and they'd never be happy if she's stopping every meal six times and making them pray for seven days before they have sex. And then at the end of the seven days, their biology might not even match. I tried pointing out that Sinclair's biology wouldn't match, either (*coughs* yet...), and he said that the Minbari probably fixed that back when he was held captive by them. I pointed out that he would probably have noticed that, but The Boy rebutted that the Minbari just changed his memory so he thought he'd always been this way. We agreed that (were this the truth) it might explain why he and Sakai broke up. ♥
I'm pretty sure I've managed not to let on that this is all going to fall apart under his feet, but I have a feeling that by the end of "War Without End," we're going to be bickering somewhat about whether the show led him in the wrong direction all along, or if he just stuck to a single piece of evidence with no corroboration except for an unrelated Mafia movie for way too long. ;)
The reason I think we're going to bicker about this is...
Divided Loyalties
In which My Boy insists that we were never given any indication that Talia and Susan were becoming at all friendly ever before this episode. (This might be a little bit like how we weren't given any indication that Delenn had a crush on Sheridan... or that Sheridan had a crush on Delenn... or that Sinclair isn't actually the hero of the show anymore...) The fact that I can describe complete scenes for him in which this was established does not seem to dissuade him. However, he was as thrilled as I to see the end of Talia, so... that's a win. ♥
Also, I think I'd forgotten how much I liked Lyta at the beginning, before her whole creepy-ass thing with Byron went down. She's quite fun. Particularly compared to Talia, who, as previously mentioned, is finally gone now, hooray!
Now I just have to get rid of Keffer and everything will be good. ♥
...And also forget everything about anyone who's ever been "intimately touched by the Vorlons" because now that whole scene with Kosh and Lyta just looks really creepy, and I know this isn't that Kosh, but... *Shudders* Anyway. Good episode. Glad to see Talia going away, and taking Andrea Thompson's horrendous acting with her.
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Date: 2010-06-30 03:49 pm (UTC)if it had happened at this point in the series, Lennier/Delenn/Sheridan would have worked out just fine.
I am ALL FOR THIS. Hell, I am even all for this in season five, when Delenn is all "Three is sacred" and Sheridan is all *nervous laughter*.
I love love love all these observations about Delenn. Her becoming half-human is a very medieval thing to do in that sense, isn't it? And yeah, the series of shocks she gets as she realizes that her Epic Destiny isn't as great as she thought ... *gives her hugs*
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Date: 2010-06-30 09:07 pm (UTC)I keep trying to write that. So far, no success, but if there's one thing left in this fandom that I'm desperate to do and have not yet succeeded at, this is it. ♥
And yes, poor Delenn. She's so perplexed by why no one understands how awesome and righteous she is. *Snuggles her*
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Date: 2010-06-30 04:38 pm (UTC)penisstation size, baseball, and everyone in both universes being totally aware of Sheridan/Delenn/Lennier except for Sheridan? WHY DOES THIS NOT EXIST?!And why don't I have time to write it?! *cries*
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Date: 2010-06-30 09:13 pm (UTC)And why don't I have time to write it?! *cries*
...Why yes, I DID just comment your whole comment. Because I love it so much. And also because I have no answer to these questions, because that fic SHOULD be out there. ...And I want to have the time to write it, too, damn it! ♥♥♥
Although probably I should stay far away from DS9 at the moment - I'm already going nuts from this epic B5 rewatch, and the last thing I need is to jump-start my Very Oldest of Fandoms into the bargain. At least not until I've finished with B5 again. ♥ Besides, have you seen the price of ST DVDs? My god, they charge an arm and a leg per season! I'm a neurotic completist when it comes to my media collection (as my three copies of each of the Hellboy movies will attest... 1 regular edition, one director's cut with special features, and 1 blue-ray each....), but even I draw the limit at $50+ for a used season of 90s sci-fi!
I shall one day make Sheridan/Delenn/Lennier work, though. I just have to convince the little Sheridan and Lennier muses that live in my head to go along with the plan. They are not happy with it, yet, no matter how hard I try to pitch the idea to them. Clearly, I will have to borrow from Delenn and be more cunning. ;)
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Date: 2010-06-30 11:45 pm (UTC)Aw, I feel speshul now. ♥
This B5/DS9 crossover would be the bestest crack!fic that ever cracked! Odo and Garibaldi can compare notes, Susan and Kira can compare ass-kicking techniques, and Morden and Garak could have a smarm-off. Epic.
I just have to convince the little Sheridan and Lennier muses that live in my head to go along with the plan. They are not happy with it, yet, no matter how hard I try to pitch the idea to them.
Aw, but they'll both do ANYTHING for Delenn! What if she told them it was for the good of the (Insert Good Thing Here) that they become an OT3?
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Date: 2010-07-01 12:53 am (UTC)Now, Morden and Garak... that sounds like a recipe for disaster, to me. Let's just hope Morden would catch Garak on a whimsical day, not one of his occasional "everything is fucked up and if only Cardassia hadn't lost its way everything would be perfect again," or we'd have the Centauri war all over again... except worse. :P
What if she told them it was for the good of the (Insert Good Thing Here) that they become an OT3?
This is a fantastically hilarious mental image, and I can see both Sheridan and Lennier just sort of standing there, mouths hanging slightly open, boggling at Delenn after she announces this. ♥ I may have to see if this works on paper.
(It should worry me that, in a number of fandoms, my Favorite Ever Character tends to be the one who would not only try something like this, but would probably also get away with it. I can totally see the Doctor, Garak, and Methos trying something like this argument for whatever with their chosen significant other / companion / whatever. "Why do we have to do (x unpleasant thing)?" "Because otherwise the universe will explode." "Doctor, you're joking." "Try me." ♥)
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Date: 2010-07-16 05:45 am (UTC)Re: Pak'Ma'Ra: I imagine they've signed a few treaties saying that they won't eat other sentient species. Otherwise I can't imagine they would be allowed, oh, pretty much anywhere else in the galaxy.
I WANT THE B5/DS9 BASEBALL GAME SO BADLY NOW.
Your descriptions of the Boy's theories are freaking hilarious. He is going to be SO CONFUSED when you get to WWE.
Oh, "Divided Loyalties." I get to that one tomorrow, and I can't wait. It's one of my favorites, despite the fact that my poor, poor Susan gets her heart broken in it. :(
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Date: 2010-07-16 04:10 pm (UTC)You'd think so, wouldn't you? But then, when Branmer's body disappears, there's the whole pumping of the Pak'mara's stomachs so that Franklin can look for Minbari DNA... and nobody seems to particularly indicate that there would be major consequences for the Pak'mara if that was the case. It's a very odd situation. And I suppose it is dead things that they would be eating, so as long as they didn't actually kill them...
Your descriptions of the Boy's theories are freaking hilarious. He is going to be SO CONFUSED when you get to WWE.
The difficult bit here is that The Boy has a knack for spinning wild theories, some of which he's teasing about... and some of which he isn't, necessarily. Things he's said since have made me unsure how serious he is about the whole Sheridan/Sinclair/Delenn thing as described in this entry. Even if he did mean it, I suspect that by the time we actually get to WWE, he'll pretend that he never meant it seriously. ;)
It's one of my favorites, despite the fact that my poor, poor Susan gets her heart broken in it. :(
Poor Susan. She's always getting her heart broken or otherwise trampled. :(
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Date: 2010-07-16 10:35 pm (UTC)Poor Susan. She's always getting her heart broken or otherwise trampled. :(
She lives a cursed life.