May. 17th, 2017 03:48 pm
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[personal profile] rivendellrose
There's a trailer for Star Trek: Discovery!

An actual realfax trailer, not the bullshit teaser crap that they put up last time! This one has actors! Speaking lines! In costume and makeup! This show might actually happen sometime!

Okay, while the excitement is still real and hasn't yet again been replaced by a gnawing sense of dread and the certainty that no other Star Trek will ever be what Deep Space Nine was to me...

Dear CBS:

Please, for the love of all that's holy, don't fuck this up.

The world has kind of gone to shit, lately, and I could really use having a Star Trek (no, the movies don't count - the movies, to me, have never counted) to look to for hope. Also, you've delayed so long that you're once again going to be coming out around my birthday, so for my birthday, I would very much like you to not fuck this up.

Love, Me.

So, friends - what do YOU want from the new series? And how much do you think your tiny little hearts are going to be crushed and broken by the reality that we shall inevitably experience come "sometime in the fall?" And what the fuck is up with those "Klingons," anyway?

Edited to Add: For my first specific request, I would like this tweet to be some kind of stupid joke. Because that shit looks like their redesigned Klingons got really drunk and saw Tom Cruise's new The Mummy movie and got some kind of bizarre resurrection idea and no fucking way am I putting up with that kind of bullshit.

Oh god, it took them all of ten minutes to poke a hole in my enthusiasm. This going to be a nightmare, isn't it?

Date: 2017-05-17 11:51 pm (UTC)
muccamukk: Captain Sulu sipping tea. (ST: Tea)
From: [personal profile] muccamukk
It's Star Trek, I'll take it. (Though I count Star Trek Beyond as Actual Star Trek, even if I want to set Into Darkness on fire).

I'm still annoyed that it's a prequel (we didn't LEARN from Enterprise, eh?), and that it's about Klingons (I don't care. I'm never going to care. You can't make me care.)

However. It's Star Trek. It's got Michel Yoeh in it, apparently. I'd like some optimism and team work. Not relentless grim (why I preferred Voyager to DS9). Some episodic stuff in all that arc plot. Some aliens that are actually alien. As few Klingons as possible (and NONE that look like that). No "humanity's greatest power is heart!" Lesbians.

Date: 2017-05-18 12:19 am (UTC)
muccamukk: B'Elanna standing in front of lines of code. (ST: Engineering)
From: [personal profile] muccamukk
Agreed on Trek being better TV. I only actually like about three of the movies, but can rewatch the episodes endlessly.

I'm fine with Vulcans, especially if they get treated better than say the Baseball episode in DS9, or any of the ToS stuff that was totally Team!Human. There's another want, aliens talking to each other about things other than humans. Not just aliens learn to be human or humans learn from aliens.

(Basically if I wanted to watch Babylon 5, I'd watch Babylon 5, not DS9. I don't REALLY need War War Grim Death in my Star Trek.) Anyway, different tastes, and all that. Though I'm admittedly mostly just sick of hearing about how DS9 is The Best, and Voy is The Worst. Not from you, just generally.)

I'm pretty fine with ignoring Enterprise, but I've only seen four episodes, and prefer my Bakula in Quantum Leap.

I'll take a gay dude. I have lesbians in other shows.

Date: 2017-05-18 12:38 am (UTC)
muccamukk: Gwen yelling in outrage while Jason runs away. Text: "This episode was badly written!" (Galaxy Quest: Badly Written!)
From: [personal profile] muccamukk
That Vulcan and the one that Ezri was trying to track down. DS9 was odd about Vulcans. *clings to Tuvok*

I liked Tuvok and Torres bonding in a couple eps. And in DS9 Dax and Kira (and Kira and Odo of course, though the romance didn't always work for me). More like that please.

I've heard the later seasons of Enterprise are much better. (Though I caught a bit of one on TV and couldn't tell if I was watching Galaxy Quest or not), and once they got over having a captain who hates aliens (Who thought THAT was a good idea for a Star Trek show!?) I'm sure it picked up, Vulcan love triangle or not. Maybe someday. I do have friends who love it.

I don't have a lot of investment in rent either, but I HATE that the reboot beat tv trek to the punch. I gather there was to have been a gay character on Voy but the network stepped on it. Maybe Harry? Would have given him something to do, I guess.

ETA: No character Trying To Be Human. Enterprise at least got that right.
Edited Date: 2017-05-18 12:44 am (UTC)

Date: 2017-05-18 04:56 am (UTC)
nenya_kanadka: Captain Sisko smiling in a baseball cap (ST Sisko smile)
From: [personal profile] nenya_kanadka
DS9 was odd about Vulcans.

ETA: No character Trying To Be Human.


(And I like that Odo had his identity angst but came down pretty firmly on the "I am what I am, and that ain't human/Bajoran/"solid" even while he was clearly culturally different from the rest of his species. I <3 Odo & his grumpiness.)

Date: 2017-05-18 02:42 pm (UTC)
muccamukk: Spock casually leaning in a doorway, arms folded. (ST: Spock)
From: [personal profile] muccamukk
Yeah, I got the impression that one of the PTB didn't like them. Which, fine, they just weren't in it much, but...

Odo and Spock really worked for me, even though Spock got WAY too much "you should be more human" from Kirk (and McCoy, but we weren't supposed to take him as seriously), including at his damn funeral. But Odo was great!

Data and the Doctor I could have lived without those plots. It looks like New Lady will be raised by Vulcans maybe, which would be neat to see.

Date: 2017-05-18 04:45 am (UTC)
nenya_kanadka: tribble on white background (ST tribble)
From: [personal profile] nenya_kanadka
how DS9 is The Best, and Voy is The Worst

That is a wrong opinion that is wrong. DS9 is the best, and VOY is the second-best!

Date: 2017-05-18 12:25 am (UTC)
muccamukk: Uhura sitting at her station, her self in colour, everthing else in grayscale. (ST: Uhura)
From: [personal profile] muccamukk
Everyone's talking about how there's this huge snarl of continuity and no one but TruFans can possibly keep up, but I don't agree at all. You can totally set something say ten years after Voy, and just follow a new thread. Have the odd call back or whatever and keep the old continuity in mind, but let it be its own story. That's totally possible. All the writers you get now will have grown up on TNG and DS9, and would be able to hold both things.

I'm just really uninterested in nostalgia-driven plots about ToS, and I'm even less interested in the Klingon War.

Date: 2017-05-18 04:52 am (UTC)
nenya_kanadka: Spock says "srsly" (ST Spock srsly)
From: [personal profile] nenya_kanadka
I'm just really uninterested in nostalgia-driven plots about ToS, and I'm even less interested in the Klingon War.

Same, though if it were the Romulan War I'd be far more interested. Especially given Tobin Dax's plot in "Lives of Dax" about the invention of the transporter!

(I don't remember how Enterprise dealt with the emergence of that tech, only that IIRC in the first season they didn't have them yet. I have not seen very many episodes.)

((RR, your fave is played by Jeffrey Combs, right? That is a good reason to get into a character. :D))

Date: 2017-05-17 11:57 pm (UTC)
nenya_kanadka: Jaylah, chalk-white face, black markings (ST Jaylah)
From: [personal profile] nenya_kanadka
I'm trying so hard not to get excited, lol. (We'll see what happens when I sit down to watch the trailer. :P)

Those Klingons look, uh...more alien than usual? But also very odd. And spiderwebby? Hmmm.

(This show would have to be extraordinary to mean more to me than DS9 does. I mean, like, super mega amazing. At this point I'm holding out for "feels kinda like Star Trek and doesn't make me want to fling myself into the sun/cause a warp core breach." With a side of maybe a little canon gay, and if we're being very selfish, some Trills. No redesigned makeup there, and a decent treatment of the symbiosis thing if I'm reallllly getting my hopes up. BUT I'M NOT. *protects heart!*)

The first two movies were pretty much random action flicks with Star Trek logos slapped on. But I did quite like Beyond. The whole thing with the "old" spaceship that was basically a TNG bridge set won me over, as did Jaylah. And the Spock/McCoy scenes, and lack of main character/OC shoehorned-in het. I could happily watch a few more movies like that. But the movies have never filled the same hole for me as the TV shows.

Date: 2017-05-18 04:42 am (UTC)
nenya_kanadka: Julian Bashir captioned "Stardate 50568.7: Still the prettiest" (ST Julian "still the prettiest")
From: [personal profile] nenya_kanadka
*fistbump for pretty much entire comment*

DS9 hit me in my early college years, but that's about the same because that was when I was discovering sci fi and all the old 90's shows (after growing up under a rock) and I had SO MANY FEELINGS! (I didn't get into B5 until even later, but I love them both with a deep abiding passion; DS9 got to me earlier, though, and I won't hear a word against it. And yes, it does have a lot of hope in it. I'm not so into the Dominion storylines, but give me Cardies and Bajorans and Dax and Odo and Siskos and...yes. MY PEOPLE OF MY HEART)

ST Beyond felt like it was made by actual Trekkies rather than a Star Wars fan who wanted the paycheque. Ahem. You could tell they were into it as Star Trek, which was such a blessed relief.

In some ways I feel like TV storytelling has changed a good bit since whatever the gold standard was 20 years ago, so that's going to affect how this show turns out (and the same with the movies). So I'm willing to give Discovery a bit of leeway there. But oh, please be good! Please at least don't make me hate you, show! OMG there's going to be Star Trek teevee again?? Please be good!

*finds alien religion to convert to, prays fervently*

Damn, this show's gonna do me in, isn't it. This is why you don't do open canons for things you have feels about, self!

Edited Date: 2017-05-18 04:43 am (UTC)

Date: 2017-05-18 12:43 am (UTC)
muccamukk: Captain Janeway lounging in her ready room. Text: "Content" (ST: Content)
From: [personal profile] muccamukk
Those Klingons look, uh...more alien than usual? But also very odd. And spiderwebby? Hmmm.

I'm just happy they're ruining the one race I genuinely don't give a shit about. Ruin away!

Date: 2017-05-18 04:54 am (UTC)
nenya_kanadka: colons turn a regular emoji into a Trill with spots (ST Trill smiley)
From: [personal profile] nenya_kanadka

I have very few feelings about Klingons ("Dax shouldn't have gotten absorbed by Klingon culture, but Curzon Dax's Klingon friendships were cool" being one I do have). I just hope they don't go further into the "dark-skinned villainous characters" route. Sci-fi doesn't need more Ogrons, k.

Date: 2017-05-18 08:56 am (UTC)
lizbee: (Star Trek: Janeway)
From: [personal profile] lizbee
I refuse to get mad about the Klingons! It's Trek, continuity is always a crapshoot!

NOTHING CAN PIERCE MY ENTHUSIASM except I'm trying to harsh my own squee by persuading myself that Michelle Yeoh's casting might be a fake-out and she could be killed off.

Date: 2017-05-19 06:17 am (UTC)
lizbee: (Star Trek: Georgiou)
From: [personal profile] lizbee
A friend pointed out that, according to Wikipedia, Yeoh is contracted for all 13 episodes. How reliable Wikipedia is, of course...

Date: 2017-05-19 07:37 am (UTC)
nenya_kanadka: Wonder Woman poster (kneeling with sword) (Default)
From: [personal profile] nenya_kanadka

(I was just thinking I should check Wikipedia or IMDB. But this is promising!)

Date: 2017-05-19 08:26 pm (UTC)
jinxed_wood: Vila, Blake and Avon, from blake's 7, with text saying 'big damned heroes' (B7 - heroes)
From: [personal profile] jinxed_wood
I can headcanon the Klingons' appearance a little by pretending that is what Klingons looked like before they were hit by the mutagenic virus that supposedly got rid of their ridges during the Original Series timeline, and the Klingons then managed to reintroduce some facial ridges into the physiognomy but not all. (As the Enterprise series diverged from the original one, I'm going to pretend to forget, they only had head ridges in that series too :P)

But, to be honest, they were the one flat note in the trailer. Everything else looked a lot more nuanced and interesting. It's weird that they decided to make the Klingons so generically monsterlike.


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