bsg cont'd
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rivendellroseSix episodes (?!) into season 2, now. Goodness, things are getting complicated.
2.01: Scattered
Augh, Tigh. Augh, augh, augh. Most of this episode, I was angry at him every single time he was on screen, and only ever less angry at him in moments when I was so busy being angry at Ellen for the way she manipulates his sorry ass that I wasn't paying attention to Tigh himself. Honestly - if you know you're fucking shit up, don't just dig your fucking heels in and make it worse - stop fucking things up. Easier said than done, I know, but he clearly knows when he's doing things that he shouldn't be doing, he knows Adama wouldn't approve of the actions he's taking, and he just keeps right on with them, all the while hovering over unconscious Adama and telling him how much he's fucking things up! Dude! Just stop.
Also, Six lies. (Just FYI... no, I really do have a specific example in mind.) Human beings, even in the context of our own world, so did not "invent" murder and war-fare. Lies. There's been plenty of established evidence in the last 40 years or so that primates conduct warfare and kill for no better reasons than territory, jealousy, and so on, as do ants and probably some other organisms I'm less familiar with, and the killing of inconvenient members of a group of organisms (cf, male lions and chimpanzees murdering infants to bring the females back into estrus when they take over a group) is a documented fact. I don't mind that this is an argument that the character of Six would make, but it's simply not true, and the fact that it's something that still gets bandied around by people in real-life makes me go "irk." We're not special snowflakes. We're just conscious of what we do, and therefore, through society and morality, able to make slow and incremental efforts through our history to better ourselves away from that kind of behavior.
2.02: Valley of Darkness
Gaeta's bad-ass coding skillz save the day! ♥ Other than that, I can't remember much of what happens because, god damn it, the synopses for these episodes are less than useless. Lacking an awesome resource like the Lurker's Guide for B5, I'm having trouble keeping track of what happens in what episode, so my commentaries are going to be... a little more fluid and less tight than I'd like them to be, particularly since we tend to watch 2 or 3 episodes at a sitting, so I get confused easily. Apologies in advance - I don't want to risk spoiling myself for later events by looking up better summaries than the tiny ones I've found on IMDB along with the episode titles (and those appear to be the ones from the DVD sets, which are... the details are often screwy.
Speaking of which, somewhere in these episodes, Sharon and Helo met up with Starbuck, and it was awesome for a definition of "awesome" that includes Starbuck and Helo being adorable, Starbuck screaming in anguish when she figures out that Sharon (and therefore also Boomer back home on Galactica) is a Cylon, then nearly blowing Sharon's head off before Helo can stop her by telling her she's pregnant with his baby (another wonderful anguished scream here), and then Starbuck, speaking of Sharon stealing her beloved Cylon raider: "Bitch stole my frakking ride!" ♥
2.03: Fragged
In which Apollo finally picks sides, and I don't know how I feel about that. So, in short - I like Apollo, and I agree with him that his daddy's actions against the president were wrong. On the other hand, I like Daddy!Adama, and agree with him that, yes, Roslin was acting pretty damned screwy if you don't actually understand what's going on behind the scenes. And I like Roslin, and really respect the way she's trying to keep things together... but I can also see how if this was real-life, I'd be more than a little doubtful of her, myself. I mean, charisma and good intentions don't necessarily mean you're on the right track, and this is a very delicate situation in which our whole species could kiss the universe goodbye if something goes wrong. Awkward. I don't think that effectively forcing her resignation at gun-point was a good decision on Adama's part, nor was locking her up, and I agree with Lee that they had to get her out of there. But. Um. I'm still having a really hard time with this plot-line, because I don't like everyone being broken up, and I don't like the false lines it's painting between people. It's being done well - don't get me wrong - that's precisely why it bothers me.
One thing that slightly worries me about Gaeta - as much as we see him, we literally seem to know nothing about him. We know... that he doesn't approve of what Dualla, Apollo, and Roslin are doing (even though he agrees with their reasons), because there are proper procedures for that sort of thing. Okaaaaaaay. Great. That's one thing. He's a letter-as-well-as-spirit-of-the-law guy. Oh, and despite that he covers for Dualla to keep Tigh from blaming her for Roslin's escape. These... are pretty much the only two things we know about Gaeta as a person, beyond "he's awesome at code" and "he's really good at his job and cool under pressure." This faintly worries me, because I frankly love the guy... but on the basis of shockingly little. I'm wondering when (if?) we're going to get more about him. The same is true of Dualla, Billy, Cally (although we got a great bit of her back in "Scattered," finding out that she only joined up to pay for dental school. Bless!) and presumably others.
I think it is in this episode that we see Starbuck's digs on Caprica. I find it... ever so faintly cliche that she paints, but, whatever. I am so consistently charmed by Starbuck regardless that I did not particularly mind, it was just one of those "of course she does" moments, of which more in the next episode.
2.04: Resistance
There is a surviving Human resistance on Caprica... and it's run by a bunch ofbasketball pyramid ball players. That's oddly charming. And it makes sense, if they were doing altitude training as they said, it's just... amusing. You don't think of a bunch of jocks being the ones to survive a major disaster (along with the obvious hikers and survivalists, that is). And of course their leader is hot and of course he has a thing for Starbuck and of course she reciprocates... and beats him at his own game? The Boy got a bit annoyed here, because of the "Starbuck is awesome at everything" vibe. I, personally, just sort of wrote it off as inevitable, if faintly "whatever."
Also, Tigh imposes martial law, proving that he's still a complete moron.
At the end of the episode, Daddy!Adama wakes up, and I cheer a lot. And then he tells Tigh they'll fix things together. Awww. It'd be charming if I wasn't so utterly convinced that Tigh (under Ellen's puppet-master act) will only make things worse again later on.
And then Boomer gets killed by Cally. Because Cally, despite all appearances, is a total bad-ass when she needs to be. Damn. Poor Tyrol.
2.05: The Farm
Starbuck gets left behind in an ambush, and is cared for by a doctor who is charming and funny and cute and of course not at all a Cylon. Thank god we "figure out" that he's a Cylon pretty damned quick, or I'd die of the obvious. We also get some further hints of her back-story with her family (All her fingers broken? Ack. Excuse me, off cradling my fingers against my chest and indulging my squick about hand injury...), and a lovely lovely lovely bit with Cylon reproductive methods. Aaaand they stole a bunch of Starbuck's eggs, possibly her whole left ovary. Possibly for testing, possibly because they figured she wouldn't be good for hooking up to the machines because she has, as Sharon pointed out, a Destiny. (Point of interest: Sharon refers in this conversation to Leoben's comments to Starbuck about her destiny, does she not? Are we meant to believe that Starbuck told her that (unlikely, IMHO), or that that information was uploaded to all Cylons when Leoben died (which would contradict previous statements from Sharon re: being constantly networked with the other Cylons, or... am I missing another option?)
In further Sharon-related questioning, why the fuck was Anders so cool with Helo and Starbuck having a Cylon buddy? When they said "she's with us" and then we cut, I assumed they were going to, you know, leave out the bit about her being a Cylon. That would make sense. Helo could just say that she's their friend, he and her used to have a thing, she got pregnant, they had a fight and got separated, now she's back. No need to include the info about the Cylon-ness, which one would think would lead to inevitable trouble. Except apparently it doesn't? WTF? They're having this whole chat with Starbuck after they've rescued her (which, in and of itself, finding the hospital just at the time that Starbuck is about to get brained by the Cylons is a pretty huge moment for suspension of disbelief, if you don't mind my saying so), and then Sharon's all "Our plans, we call them farms, BY THE WAY, I'M A FRAKKING TOASTER!" and Anders is okay with this? I beg your pardon? What the hell kind of huge-ass scene got cut that explained this?
...Related: I cannot remember what episode it happened in, but I adore Six getting all stroppy and insulted by the term "Toaster." "I'm offended by that word," or something like that. "Tell her you don't approve of her using racial epithets." Oh, Six. You are so very crazy. ♥ And "Your child is going to be half Toaster, how does that make you feel?" Well, I don't know about Gaius, but it does kind of make me wonder precisely where this kid is going to be coming from? Presumably Six-on-Caprica harvested his, ahem, genetic matter and brought it back to the other Cylons at some point, and they're... gestating it in a tube or something (...for their sake I hope it wasn't one of the women in the facility Starbuck destroyed, 'cause that'd be kind of awkward, and also, they're dead now), but... apparently she at least thinks that he's going to meet her at some point, and... I don't know what to make of that, precisely. Interesting.
Also, I can't help noticing that every time Starbuck and Six end up in the same place, it does not go over well for Six. I am much amused. So far, Starbuck has killed two Sixes, and Sharon's killed one. Just for the sake of record-keeping.
2.06: Home, pt 1
I think we actually saw them in one of the prior episodes, but I have to say here: there is no fucking way that skulls would be just hanging out on the surface on Kobol, particularly looking so clean, when the buildings have all been reduced to rubble and ruins. Archaeology: It doesn't work that way.
OMG, Starbuck with a quiver over her shoulder. OMG, Starbuck and Apollo fighting back-to-back. OMG, Zarek calling out "Zeus is back on Mt Olympus." Excuse me, my inner mythology geek is going to go stand in a corner and squee for a few minutes.
Explanation: Due to a life-long interest in mythology, I've been enjoying the opportunity to play "mythological connections" in this show. Associations are not necessarily one-to-one, and do not necessarily lead to further insight, so I'm hesitant to say too much about them, because... if they don't really give us more information or interpretation, they're not terribly useful. Basically, if the text doesn't end up bearing them out, there's no point, and I have no way of knowing at the moment whether they will or not, but I'm having one hell of a good time playing them anyway, trying to make things fit and find the pieces that work best in each position. Aaanyway. Long story short, Artemis has long been a favorite of mine out of the Greek pantheon, and of all the connections made in the series, the Artemis=Starbuck link is the one that I am probably the most confident of after Apollo (obvious) and Adama=Zeus (which has now been called out and is therefore at least temporarily deemed true and accurate by my accounting). Whether Roslin is more of a Hera or a Demeter is yet to be seen, and I've yet to figure out how the Cylons fit into the equation (Aphrodite and Artemis have certainly been often portrayed as opposite numbers, and we do seem to be getting that vibe from Six on multiple levels). Or whether Helo's name-similarity to Helios is a red-herring or not. Further - what part is Zarek playing here? That's a question for the show in general, though, as well as my nutball little mythology game.
Dualla gets to be absolutely amazing in this episode, playing Adama's conscience in a very big way, and - hooray! - convincing him that he needs to buckle down, fix the break, and reunite the fleet. Go Dualla! ♥ And go Adama. See, Tigh? That's how a real leader behaves. When they make a mistake and see that it's a mistake, they damned well fix it. No dicking around sticking to it just because they're too scared to admit they made a mistake (as we have seen Tigh do, and as was clearly demonstrated by the poor dumbass they tried to make take over Apollo's position in the pilots).
Somewhere in here I forgot to mention the absolute scary scary scariness of Roslin being all "okay, it's okay, I'm sweet and maternal and gentle, everybody just put down your guns. Okay, great, now stick that thing in an airlock, and hold Helo to make sure he doesn't interfere." Yiiiiiiiiikes. Yeah, I'm beginning to think that in a contest of terrifyingly unexpected bad-ass, she might very well terrify even Delenn. That's some serious nerves of steel, there, and a complete lack of interest in the emotional content of the situation. Daaaamn. Of course, I'm slightly biased in that, for reasons I cannot properly explain, Sharon is one of my favorite characters. But that was a very scary moment. And then the same later when Apollo thinks Sharon's betraying them down on the planet, and she blows the head off the Cylon behind him that he hadn't even seen. This is... going to be interesting.
On a very, very shallow level, I feel the need to point out that Helo has the most gorgeous fore-arms ever, and is an eerily, unusually attractive-looking man. o_O I'll... be in my bunk.
Haven't seen much of Gaius lately - I suspect he's busy dealing with his impending fatherhood by smoking in doorways and acting faintly world-weary. I think I liked him better when his eyes bugged out of his head at every little thing. He seems to be taking this whole "I'm a real man now that I've killed a guy!" thing a little too seriously (which, hey, that was kind of weird, too, in the sense of Six insisting that he's a real man now that he's killed someone, but this entry is long enough as it is).
2.01: Scattered
Augh, Tigh. Augh, augh, augh. Most of this episode, I was angry at him every single time he was on screen, and only ever less angry at him in moments when I was so busy being angry at Ellen for the way she manipulates his sorry ass that I wasn't paying attention to Tigh himself. Honestly - if you know you're fucking shit up, don't just dig your fucking heels in and make it worse - stop fucking things up. Easier said than done, I know, but he clearly knows when he's doing things that he shouldn't be doing, he knows Adama wouldn't approve of the actions he's taking, and he just keeps right on with them, all the while hovering over unconscious Adama and telling him how much he's fucking things up! Dude! Just stop.
Also, Six lies. (Just FYI... no, I really do have a specific example in mind.) Human beings, even in the context of our own world, so did not "invent" murder and war-fare. Lies. There's been plenty of established evidence in the last 40 years or so that primates conduct warfare and kill for no better reasons than territory, jealousy, and so on, as do ants and probably some other organisms I'm less familiar with, and the killing of inconvenient members of a group of organisms (cf, male lions and chimpanzees murdering infants to bring the females back into estrus when they take over a group) is a documented fact. I don't mind that this is an argument that the character of Six would make, but it's simply not true, and the fact that it's something that still gets bandied around by people in real-life makes me go "irk." We're not special snowflakes. We're just conscious of what we do, and therefore, through society and morality, able to make slow and incremental efforts through our history to better ourselves away from that kind of behavior.
2.02: Valley of Darkness
Gaeta's bad-ass coding skillz save the day! ♥ Other than that, I can't remember much of what happens because, god damn it, the synopses for these episodes are less than useless. Lacking an awesome resource like the Lurker's Guide for B5, I'm having trouble keeping track of what happens in what episode, so my commentaries are going to be... a little more fluid and less tight than I'd like them to be, particularly since we tend to watch 2 or 3 episodes at a sitting, so I get confused easily. Apologies in advance - I don't want to risk spoiling myself for later events by looking up better summaries than the tiny ones I've found on IMDB along with the episode titles (and those appear to be the ones from the DVD sets, which are... the details are often screwy.
Speaking of which, somewhere in these episodes, Sharon and Helo met up with Starbuck, and it was awesome for a definition of "awesome" that includes Starbuck and Helo being adorable, Starbuck screaming in anguish when she figures out that Sharon (and therefore also Boomer back home on Galactica) is a Cylon, then nearly blowing Sharon's head off before Helo can stop her by telling her she's pregnant with his baby (another wonderful anguished scream here), and then Starbuck, speaking of Sharon stealing her beloved Cylon raider: "Bitch stole my frakking ride!" ♥
2.03: Fragged
In which Apollo finally picks sides, and I don't know how I feel about that. So, in short - I like Apollo, and I agree with him that his daddy's actions against the president were wrong. On the other hand, I like Daddy!Adama, and agree with him that, yes, Roslin was acting pretty damned screwy if you don't actually understand what's going on behind the scenes. And I like Roslin, and really respect the way she's trying to keep things together... but I can also see how if this was real-life, I'd be more than a little doubtful of her, myself. I mean, charisma and good intentions don't necessarily mean you're on the right track, and this is a very delicate situation in which our whole species could kiss the universe goodbye if something goes wrong. Awkward. I don't think that effectively forcing her resignation at gun-point was a good decision on Adama's part, nor was locking her up, and I agree with Lee that they had to get her out of there. But. Um. I'm still having a really hard time with this plot-line, because I don't like everyone being broken up, and I don't like the false lines it's painting between people. It's being done well - don't get me wrong - that's precisely why it bothers me.
One thing that slightly worries me about Gaeta - as much as we see him, we literally seem to know nothing about him. We know... that he doesn't approve of what Dualla, Apollo, and Roslin are doing (even though he agrees with their reasons), because there are proper procedures for that sort of thing. Okaaaaaaay. Great. That's one thing. He's a letter-as-well-as-spirit-of-the-law guy. Oh, and despite that he covers for Dualla to keep Tigh from blaming her for Roslin's escape. These... are pretty much the only two things we know about Gaeta as a person, beyond "he's awesome at code" and "he's really good at his job and cool under pressure." This faintly worries me, because I frankly love the guy... but on the basis of shockingly little. I'm wondering when (if?) we're going to get more about him. The same is true of Dualla, Billy, Cally (although we got a great bit of her back in "Scattered," finding out that she only joined up to pay for dental school. Bless!) and presumably others.
I think it is in this episode that we see Starbuck's digs on Caprica. I find it... ever so faintly cliche that she paints, but, whatever. I am so consistently charmed by Starbuck regardless that I did not particularly mind, it was just one of those "of course she does" moments, of which more in the next episode.
2.04: Resistance
There is a surviving Human resistance on Caprica... and it's run by a bunch of
Also, Tigh imposes martial law, proving that he's still a complete moron.
At the end of the episode, Daddy!Adama wakes up, and I cheer a lot. And then he tells Tigh they'll fix things together. Awww. It'd be charming if I wasn't so utterly convinced that Tigh (under Ellen's puppet-master act) will only make things worse again later on.
And then Boomer gets killed by Cally. Because Cally, despite all appearances, is a total bad-ass when she needs to be. Damn. Poor Tyrol.
2.05: The Farm
Starbuck gets left behind in an ambush, and is cared for by a doctor who is charming and funny and cute and of course not at all a Cylon. Thank god we "figure out" that he's a Cylon pretty damned quick, or I'd die of the obvious. We also get some further hints of her back-story with her family (All her fingers broken? Ack. Excuse me, off cradling my fingers against my chest and indulging my squick about hand injury...), and a lovely lovely lovely bit with Cylon reproductive methods. Aaaand they stole a bunch of Starbuck's eggs, possibly her whole left ovary. Possibly for testing, possibly because they figured she wouldn't be good for hooking up to the machines because she has, as Sharon pointed out, a Destiny. (Point of interest: Sharon refers in this conversation to Leoben's comments to Starbuck about her destiny, does she not? Are we meant to believe that Starbuck told her that (unlikely, IMHO), or that that information was uploaded to all Cylons when Leoben died (which would contradict previous statements from Sharon re: being constantly networked with the other Cylons, or... am I missing another option?)
In further Sharon-related questioning, why the fuck was Anders so cool with Helo and Starbuck having a Cylon buddy? When they said "she's with us" and then we cut, I assumed they were going to, you know, leave out the bit about her being a Cylon. That would make sense. Helo could just say that she's their friend, he and her used to have a thing, she got pregnant, they had a fight and got separated, now she's back. No need to include the info about the Cylon-ness, which one would think would lead to inevitable trouble. Except apparently it doesn't? WTF? They're having this whole chat with Starbuck after they've rescued her (which, in and of itself, finding the hospital just at the time that Starbuck is about to get brained by the Cylons is a pretty huge moment for suspension of disbelief, if you don't mind my saying so), and then Sharon's all "Our plans, we call them farms, BY THE WAY, I'M A FRAKKING TOASTER!" and Anders is okay with this? I beg your pardon? What the hell kind of huge-ass scene got cut that explained this?
...Related: I cannot remember what episode it happened in, but I adore Six getting all stroppy and insulted by the term "Toaster." "I'm offended by that word," or something like that. "Tell her you don't approve of her using racial epithets." Oh, Six. You are so very crazy. ♥ And "Your child is going to be half Toaster, how does that make you feel?" Well, I don't know about Gaius, but it does kind of make me wonder precisely where this kid is going to be coming from? Presumably Six-on-Caprica harvested his, ahem, genetic matter and brought it back to the other Cylons at some point, and they're... gestating it in a tube or something (...for their sake I hope it wasn't one of the women in the facility Starbuck destroyed, 'cause that'd be kind of awkward, and also, they're dead now), but... apparently she at least thinks that he's going to meet her at some point, and... I don't know what to make of that, precisely. Interesting.
Also, I can't help noticing that every time Starbuck and Six end up in the same place, it does not go over well for Six. I am much amused. So far, Starbuck has killed two Sixes, and Sharon's killed one. Just for the sake of record-keeping.
2.06: Home, pt 1
I think we actually saw them in one of the prior episodes, but I have to say here: there is no fucking way that skulls would be just hanging out on the surface on Kobol, particularly looking so clean, when the buildings have all been reduced to rubble and ruins. Archaeology: It doesn't work that way.
OMG, Starbuck with a quiver over her shoulder. OMG, Starbuck and Apollo fighting back-to-back. OMG, Zarek calling out "Zeus is back on Mt Olympus." Excuse me, my inner mythology geek is going to go stand in a corner and squee for a few minutes.
Explanation: Due to a life-long interest in mythology, I've been enjoying the opportunity to play "mythological connections" in this show. Associations are not necessarily one-to-one, and do not necessarily lead to further insight, so I'm hesitant to say too much about them, because... if they don't really give us more information or interpretation, they're not terribly useful. Basically, if the text doesn't end up bearing them out, there's no point, and I have no way of knowing at the moment whether they will or not, but I'm having one hell of a good time playing them anyway, trying to make things fit and find the pieces that work best in each position. Aaanyway. Long story short, Artemis has long been a favorite of mine out of the Greek pantheon, and of all the connections made in the series, the Artemis=Starbuck link is the one that I am probably the most confident of after Apollo (obvious) and Adama=Zeus (which has now been called out and is therefore at least temporarily deemed true and accurate by my accounting). Whether Roslin is more of a Hera or a Demeter is yet to be seen, and I've yet to figure out how the Cylons fit into the equation (Aphrodite and Artemis have certainly been often portrayed as opposite numbers, and we do seem to be getting that vibe from Six on multiple levels). Or whether Helo's name-similarity to Helios is a red-herring or not. Further - what part is Zarek playing here? That's a question for the show in general, though, as well as my nutball little mythology game.
Dualla gets to be absolutely amazing in this episode, playing Adama's conscience in a very big way, and - hooray! - convincing him that he needs to buckle down, fix the break, and reunite the fleet. Go Dualla! ♥ And go Adama. See, Tigh? That's how a real leader behaves. When they make a mistake and see that it's a mistake, they damned well fix it. No dicking around sticking to it just because they're too scared to admit they made a mistake (as we have seen Tigh do, and as was clearly demonstrated by the poor dumbass they tried to make take over Apollo's position in the pilots).
Somewhere in here I forgot to mention the absolute scary scary scariness of Roslin being all "okay, it's okay, I'm sweet and maternal and gentle, everybody just put down your guns. Okay, great, now stick that thing in an airlock, and hold Helo to make sure he doesn't interfere." Yiiiiiiiiikes. Yeah, I'm beginning to think that in a contest of terrifyingly unexpected bad-ass, she might very well terrify even Delenn. That's some serious nerves of steel, there, and a complete lack of interest in the emotional content of the situation. Daaaamn. Of course, I'm slightly biased in that, for reasons I cannot properly explain, Sharon is one of my favorite characters. But that was a very scary moment. And then the same later when Apollo thinks Sharon's betraying them down on the planet, and she blows the head off the Cylon behind him that he hadn't even seen. This is... going to be interesting.
On a very, very shallow level, I feel the need to point out that Helo has the most gorgeous fore-arms ever, and is an eerily, unusually attractive-looking man. o_O I'll... be in my bunk.
Haven't seen much of Gaius lately - I suspect he's busy dealing with his impending fatherhood by smoking in doorways and acting faintly world-weary. I think I liked him better when his eyes bugged out of his head at every little thing. He seems to be taking this whole "I'm a real man now that I've killed a guy!" thing a little too seriously (which, hey, that was kind of weird, too, in the sense of Six insisting that he's a real man now that he's killed someone, but this entry is long enough as it is).
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Date: 2010-10-02 09:38 pm (UTC)Re: Greek mythology correspondences: I tried that too. I think the show was going for it at first, but then got distracted by other things. However, I'm not terribly knowledgeable about Greek gods and goddesses, so they may have just moved to more subtle hints. (Well, at there are two really not-subtle hints to come, but I'll say no more about that!)
Gaeta...ohhhh, Gaeta. I loved him too, even though, as you say, we knew so little about him at this point. That will change. Although with all of these characters, the phrase "be careful what you wish for" has a certain value... I also shipped him and Dee for a long time on the basis of practically nothing.
I don't have a lot of favorite Starbuck moments, but "Bitch stole my frakking ride!" is definitely one of them.
Roslin...yeah, I hate to say it, but I think she out terrifyingly bad-asses Delenn by a fairly big margin.
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Date: 2010-10-02 10:13 pm (UTC)I...like this idea. A lot. I have no idea how it would work, but I enjoy it greatly. :D
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Date: 2010-10-02 11:27 pm (UTC)There's always this deleted scene from "A Day in the Life," though... (
Oh, and we aren't the only ones: there's an entire LJ comm devoted to them!
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Date: 2010-10-03 09:10 pm (UTC)Well, poo. I was hoping they'd stick with it, since it seems like a fairly heavy thing at the moment. Still, I suppose it's the kind of thing you can only do for so long without wandering into outright allegory, and I'd rather avoid that if possible.
Although with all of these characters, the phrase "be careful what you wish for" has a certain value... I also shipped him and Dee for a long time on the basis of practically nothing.
Yeah, I'm getting that vibe from him. Particularly now that I know his first name, sheeeeesh. Also, Dee and him would make a rather adorable couple, and would make a lot of sense in a lot of ways. They're both so... competent. ♥
Roslin...yeah, I hate to say it, but I think she out terrifyingly bad-asses Delenn by a fairly big margin.
Yup. I'm definitely getting that, now. Veeeeery interesting. I'm going to need a new set of icons, soon, if this continues....
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Date: 2010-10-02 10:12 pm (UTC)Ugh, I want to comment on the Greek mythology, but I have some differences that come from watching the rest of the series, so UGH.
BUT OMG THIS IS MAKING ME WANT TO REWATCH THIS SKHF;DKLA. I'm so glad you're enjoying it so far. :D
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Date: 2010-10-02 11:30 pm (UTC)I'd tell you who Roslin is for me in the pantheon, but it would be to spoil, so. Later. Same with Starbuck. (She's not Artemis. But it's not like a big thing I came up with for her; the show is actually pretty explicit about it later on.) But I'm a big mythology geek, too, so I look forward to one day (and at this pace, one day soon) comparing notes with you.
The end of Home Part I, with Dualla, is one of my very favorite moments from the series. That Adama asked her of all people to come and sit with him; that he did in fact think she had nothing to say, and was just using her as a sounding board; that she worked up the nerve to confront him, and follow through with it when he got angry; that he listened to her, and swallowed his pride; that moment in CIC when he's standing at the top like Zeus himself - ugh. It always makes me cry. (I cry a lot when I watch TV, and I cry A LOT when I watch BSG.)
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Date: 2010-10-03 09:17 pm (UTC)Really? I thought it was a very good episode, it just strained the old credulity a teensy bit at the end, when the guys somehow magically a) knew where to find her, and b) showed up at exactly the right moment, and then c) somehow didn't automatically lynch Sharon upon finding out she's a Cylon. And honestly, the last one isn't a complaint at all because, for one, I love Sharon, and for two, it would get tiring if every single time we ran her into new people, they tried to lynch her. It's just a "wait, how did that happen?"
(She's not Artemis. But it's not like a big thing I came up with for her; the show is actually pretty explicit about it later on.)
*Flails and explodes* This is, like, incomprehensible to me at this moment in the series. I am shocked and appalled. How can she not be? Don't answer that. o_O But... Augh. Cannot wait to see what happens. And yes, we must definitely compare notes when I get to that point (and yes, it will be sooner rather than later, because apparently The Boy and I have absolutely no impulse control when it comes to TV shows).
A big YES to everything about Dualla. I am really loving her as a character - she's soooooo brave in completely non-standard ways, and I just adore that. That whole scene was so fantastic.
...And yes, I haven't cried yet, but I definitely see the potential for it. I'm not generally very weepy when it comes to TV (I may be the only terrible B5 fan who only got a teensy bit weepy at a few parts of "Sleeping in Light," even the first time I saw it), but this one's a real gut-wrencher, and I have a feeling it will happen.
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Date: 2010-10-03 09:45 pm (UTC)I figured that they knew where to find Kara because it was the closest Farm, and Sharon knew that if she had survived, that's where they would have taken her. Showing up in the nick of time is, of course, your usual TV providence.
I think Kara works as Artemis, definitely, especially in the first half of the series. But I have a feeling when you get to the episode that, like I said, is fairly explicit in a different mythological connection, you'll like that better.
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Date: 2010-10-03 04:09 am (UTC)- Saul Tigh without Bill Adama is a tyrant. But without spoiling you, he does learn from his mistakes. I think you'll be quite surprised by what he does in the future. It's really not until early season three that most people, myself included, went "holy shit, Saul Motherfrakking Tigh, you are frakking awesome". See also, Felix Gaeta and Laura Roslin.
- The mythological connections are fascinating. I'd be curious to see who you'd pin Zarek as once you've seen the entire show, not to mention the new explicit mythological connection involving Helo's Sharon. And as for Laura Roslin? Hera all the way, which takes on interesting connotations later.
- The Starbuck and Helo Do Caprica Show is something I wish we'd gotten more of. They're so awesome and best-friendish and hilarious.
- Sam Anders in season two always surprises me. I like him more in S2, even though he's much more shallow and we don't know as much about him. In the latter two seasons, he's - well, problematic in two completely different ways. You'll see.
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Date: 2010-10-03 09:20 pm (UTC)GOOD. All I ask is that he learns. I really do quite want to like the guy, but he seems at this moment so damned intent on keeping up with all of his mistakes that it just makes me want to smack him.
- The mythological connections are fascinating. I'd be curious to see who you'd pin Zarek as once you've seen the entire show, not to mention the new explicit mythological connection involving Helo's Sharon.
Iiiiiinteresting. I shall keep an eye on that, then.
As for Roslin being Hera, that was going to be my first guess, but I kept getting sidelined by the possibility of Demeter and Athena, as well.
- The Starbuck and Helo Do Caprica Show is something I wish we'd gotten more of. They're so awesome and best-friendish and hilarious.
They really, really are. And I adore them both with a stupid passion, so that makes me terribly happy.
Information about Anders officially noted. I'll look forward to that.
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Date: 2010-10-03 10:44 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-10-03 09:23 pm (UTC)I think I liked his brokenness, but he doesn't get much love because of it.
I think I... sort of want to like him? But then he does things that hurt characters I care more about, and I get angry and want to smack him. :P
And yes, Sharon absolutely rocks. Her Greek counterpart will be fun too.
Eeee. Exciting! I can't wait to see what happens!!!