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No, Christine O'Donnell (the Tea Party senate candidate for Delaware) really haven't got the slightest fricking clue what's in the Constitution.

Quoted from the Washington Post description of the situation:

"Where in the Constitution is the separation of church and state?" O'Donnell asked [her Democratic opponent, Chris Coons].

When Coons responded that the First Amendment bars Congress from making laws respecting the establishment of religion, O'Donnell asked: "You're telling me that's in the First Amendment?"


If you listen to the audio or watch the video, you will notice that she sounds utterly flabbergasted at this revelation. I can only imagine she was thinking "That isn't what Glenn Beck told me!"

If you want to be in the Senate, please at least demonstrate a vague awareness of what that Constitution that you will be swearing to uphold actually says, dumbass.

Date: 2010-10-20 09:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bluerosefairy.livejournal.com
She's an absolute fucking moron. I'm from PA, and her ads are all over our airwaves, the one with "I'm not a witch . . . I'm you". And she's so STUPID. I can't even articulate how stupid she is.

Date: 2010-10-20 09:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] rivendellrose.livejournal.com
I've been listening to WHYY for my NPR fix because the live streaming app for my local station doesn't work properly (alas), so all of a sudden I'm getting her all over the place, too. It's very, very strange... and yeah, I'm getting the distinct impression that she may possibly be the person to break the previous record for "stupidest person in US Politics," held (up until yesterday) by Sara "I can see Russia from my house!" Palin.

What the hell is up with all these idiotic conservatives suddenly being the only women in the political public eye, I have no idea. But I don't like it one little bit.

Date: 2010-10-21 12:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] narsilion.livejournal.com
Yeah, I saw that earlier today....YIKES!

Date: 2010-10-21 04:21 am (UTC)
ext_18428: (BOOM)
From: [identity profile] rivendellrose.livejournal.com
That woman is totally frakking nutballs. Seriously.

Date: 2010-10-21 02:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cyranocyrano.livejournal.com
Okay, the thing that's confusing me here is.... it's *NOT* in the Constitution. Thomas Jefferson, in a letter, said he felt the First Amendment created such a wall, but it's not actually in the Constitution.

Of course, for those who are all het up about What Our Founding Fathers Meant when they wrote the damn thing, that should be plenty.

Date: 2010-10-21 04:25 am (UTC)
ext_18428: (BOOM)
From: [identity profile] rivendellrose.livejournal.com
It so is, though. The amendments to the constitution are part and parcel with the Constitution - or, if they're not, then people need to pipe the fuck down about the right to bear arms, if you'll forgive my French, and that is something that I know the fucking Tea Baggers won't ever shut the hell up about.

Sorry, alcohol has been had this evening.

And yeah, I don't know where they get off going on about being defenders of the Constitution. Half the bastards don't even know what's in it, the other half are interpreting it in such a literal sense that I know the founding fathers would be like "hold on a second, that is NOT what I meant." I mean, we're talking about Jefferson, for god's sake. Man wrote his own Bible, removing all the magic, and these morons keep going on about how this is a Christian nation? No, you idiots, it is, at best, a Deist nation. And I don't think they'd like that one little bit.

Date: 2010-10-21 04:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cyranocyrano.livejournal.com
I think you may be misunderstanding me. Her original statement was "show me in the Constitution where it says separation of church and state" or something similar. Now, her opponent responded with the statement that the First forbade Congress to make a law respecting an establishment of religion.

But. The phrase "separation of church and state" was in one of the Jeffersonian epistles, with a link to Wikipedia. He felt the first amendment created that separation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Date: 2010-10-21 04:44 am (UTC)
ext_18428: (a woman of words)
From: [identity profile] rivendellrose.livejournal.com
Lol. I see what you mean. And yet, I doubt O'Donnell was going for anything so informed or specific as the source of the exact wording. ;)

Also, ♥ for Jefferson. Some flaws, definitely, but he was fantastic in a lot of ways, not least of which is for pissing off conservatives with all his liberal wackiness.

Date: 2010-10-21 04:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cyranocyrano.livejournal.com
I have no doubt that she's ill-informed and poorly trained in the art of critical thinking, but I suspect that's the battle line that she'll fall back to if her advisors are the least bit up to snuff. (:

Date: 2010-10-21 10:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darthparadox.livejournal.com
I'd like to see them try.

When Coons responded that the First Amendment bars Congress from making laws respecting the establishment of religion, O'Donnell asked: "You're telling me that's in the First Amendment?"

That puts the lie to that idea pretty easily. It's not a word-choice issue - she's actually that incompetent.

Date: 2010-10-21 10:39 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] rivendellrose.livejournal.com
It's even more overtly absurd when you hear the audio. She's clearly just plain dumbfounded. This was not a question that got the result that she expected in the slightest.

Date: 2010-10-21 02:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] empresspatti.livejournal.com
She is worth her weight in comic GOLD.

Date: 2010-10-21 10:41 pm (UTC)
ext_18428: (dandelion day)
From: [identity profile] rivendellrose.livejournal.com
She sure as hell would be if she wasn't making a decent run at the senate. As it is, I can't decide whether to laugh or to cry. :P

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