Discovery 1x06: Lethe
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rivendellroseSpoilers. Strange thoughts about my hometown. More references to my not-so-crazy theory about our new lieutenant.
- Logic Extremists want the Vulcans to back out of the Federation... so they're blowing up Sarek on the way to a peace talk with the Klingons. I... do not understand the logic of this action.
- Why... why the fuck was the Logic Extremist giving Sarek the "live long and prosper" sign before he blew them up? That doesn't make any sense.
- I'm sorry to be That Fan, but we are not supposed to have holodecks yet. Weren't they touting how they hired a continuity editor? Did they listen to them at all?
-gaslightgallows was right, Tyler totally has a crush on Lorca. Lorca might be too straight (and also crazy) to notice, though.
- Of course Tyler hid that he got a higher score than Lorca. (Wait, does this mean he knows or just that he's being adorable?)
- Tyler is from Seattle. No, wait, Tyler is from Issaquah. OH, THIS JUST FIGURES. I have spent ages whining that there's nobody in Star Trek who's from the Pacific Northwest, let alone Seattle, let alone the tiny frickin' suburb-city that I myself am from, and we finally get someone, and he's frickin' adorable, except I'm pretty sure he's frickin' dead and what we're actually seeing is the guy who ate Philippa Georgiou. In short, I feel personally attacked.
- He meant Issaquah Valley Elementary, btw. There is no "Issaquah Elementary." At least not yet. (I bet he went to Skyline High School, the perfect bastard.)
- And for the record, yeah, saying you're from Seattle is totally what you do when you're from Issaquah and you go outside Washington State. Been there done that.
- I guess if anyone needs hometown details for fic, hit me up? I can tell you all about Front Street and Gilman Village and Piccadilly Place and where the pool is and oh god this is bizarre.
- Haha, Lorca says he wants a security officer who "fights like a Klingon." Boy, he's gonna feel like a dumbass for saying that at some point in the future...
- Burnham being Tilly's coach is adorable, and I love them both. I also kind of want that DISCO t-shirt.
- It's... kind of weird that the computer now says approving things about your food choices? I don't know how I feel about this. It's definitely something to remember for writing fanfic, though. What does it say if you order something unhealthy, I wonder?
- ...Like, for instance, those french fries Tyler was eating? (At first I was like "why is he eating fries for breakfast?" and then I realized he was clearly on a different shift than Tilly and Burnham, unless he was doing his anachronistic holo-training with Lorca before breakfast.
- Tilly totally ships Burnham and Tyler. I... honey... bless you, but... nghgpfbl. *facepalms*
- Wow, Stamets is definitely experiencing some lingering effects from his mushroom trip, isn't he? Love all the groovy word choice, nice way to subtly/not-so-subtly let us know "by the way, he might still kind of be tripping balls." I wonder how Culber feels about this.
- Okay, question: Burnham says that she was attacked by Logic Extremists (okay, sure) at the school she was at and that's when Sarek gave her part of his katra and saved her and all. Which. I could have sworn that before we said that that was during the Klingon attack that killed her parents? It... it was Klingons who killed her parents, right, not Logic Extremists? I'm so confused right now.
- Hey, look, it's Amanda! And oh god it's Vulcan!Burnham again. Oh god I don't like Vulcan!Burnham. Eugh. Less of her, please. I love Burnham when she has feelings, I so don't like her when she's doing full-on Vulcan, though.
- Poor Saru, he was barely in this episode!
- Oh look, people were right that Admiral Kat and Lorca are former lovers. That's nice. Except how he nearly killed her because PTSD, and then she was all "you should be relieved of duty but for some reason I'm not actually going to do that right this minute" and then he was all "Hey, let's send HER to the Klingons and then she got captured and suddenly he's very concerned with checking up the chain of command and making sure we follow orders. Hey, Admiral Kat, just a thought, but maybe you should have filed the paperwork before you left, so that someone back at Starfleet would know how Lorca is totally bugfuck and should probably not be commanding the most powerful ship in the fleet because he's unstable?!
- Honestly, though, sending her off to be captured by the Klingons was way better than what I thought, which was that he was going to kill her right there and find some way to excuse it or hide it from his crew. Especially after Burnham saying she's glad to serve under a captain like him, which, okay, sure, you totally look like you're feeling that statement, Burnham. PS, don't trust that fucker.
- It might just be me, but I sort of feel like showing up to check on your ex who seems to be behaving in an unstable manner lately and then having sex with him and then going off on how he's changed so much he's not the man you knew... might be both cliche and also a little bit, er, disordered. Like, were you worried beforehand? If so, why did you sleep with him? If not, what about sleeping with him made you suddenly realize? Was it just the awakened-suddenly-PTSD-murder-ness?
- Ha, Tyler is so sweet and perfect that even if I hadn't run up against this theory and then put all the pieces together I'd be like "Wait, we already Tilly and Burnham AND Culber, why do we suddenly have another cinnamon roll? I AM SUSPICIOUS."
- Still working on the assumption that Tyler is a sleeper agent and therefore thinks he is the guy he seems to be. That... really just adds to my confusion on the subject of him, but it also seems a lot more likely than the idea that Voq is actually able to pretend to be a Human this well.
- "This is being Human." LIKE YOU'D KNOW, YOU FACE-EATING SON OF A TARG. Damn that's a good anxiety-heightening line, though. SUSPENNNNNNNNSE. Also, auuuuugh, did you personally kill the real Lt. Tyler, or did L'Rell do that for you?
- Burnham I love you but could you not maybe have had this realization about how your shitty foster father is never going to live up to your emotional needs while you were on the Shenzhou? I feel like Georgiou would have been very proud of this development.
- "We've met." NO KIDDING, SHOW. Do you think you might be laying it on a little bit thick, here, guys? AND YET I AM SO INVESTED.
Next week: a classic "stuck in a loop" episode! And also Tyler and Burnham kissing. Oh god, I am so conflicted. By which I mean "yay cute characters together WAIT OH GOD NO STOP DON'T DO THAT I NEED BRAIN BLEACH AND MOUTHWASH."
- Logic Extremists want the Vulcans to back out of the Federation... so they're blowing up Sarek on the way to a peace talk with the Klingons. I... do not understand the logic of this action.
- Why... why the fuck was the Logic Extremist giving Sarek the "live long and prosper" sign before he blew them up? That doesn't make any sense.
- I'm sorry to be That Fan, but we are not supposed to have holodecks yet. Weren't they touting how they hired a continuity editor? Did they listen to them at all?
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gaslightgallows was right, Tyler totally has a crush on Lorca. Lorca might be too straight (and also crazy) to notice, though. - Of course Tyler hid that he got a higher score than Lorca. (Wait, does this mean he knows or just that he's being adorable?)
- Tyler is from Seattle. No, wait, Tyler is from Issaquah. OH, THIS JUST FIGURES. I have spent ages whining that there's nobody in Star Trek who's from the Pacific Northwest, let alone Seattle, let alone the tiny frickin' suburb-city that I myself am from, and we finally get someone, and he's frickin' adorable, except I'm pretty sure he's frickin' dead and what we're actually seeing is the guy who ate Philippa Georgiou. In short, I feel personally attacked.
- He meant Issaquah Valley Elementary, btw. There is no "Issaquah Elementary." At least not yet. (I bet he went to Skyline High School, the perfect bastard.)
- And for the record, yeah, saying you're from Seattle is totally what you do when you're from Issaquah and you go outside Washington State. Been there done that.
- I guess if anyone needs hometown details for fic, hit me up? I can tell you all about Front Street and Gilman Village and Piccadilly Place and where the pool is and oh god this is bizarre.
- Haha, Lorca says he wants a security officer who "fights like a Klingon." Boy, he's gonna feel like a dumbass for saying that at some point in the future...
- Burnham being Tilly's coach is adorable, and I love them both. I also kind of want that DISCO t-shirt.
- It's... kind of weird that the computer now says approving things about your food choices? I don't know how I feel about this. It's definitely something to remember for writing fanfic, though. What does it say if you order something unhealthy, I wonder?
- ...Like, for instance, those french fries Tyler was eating? (At first I was like "why is he eating fries for breakfast?" and then I realized he was clearly on a different shift than Tilly and Burnham, unless he was doing his anachronistic holo-training with Lorca before breakfast.
- Tilly totally ships Burnham and Tyler. I... honey... bless you, but... nghgpfbl. *facepalms*
- Wow, Stamets is definitely experiencing some lingering effects from his mushroom trip, isn't he? Love all the groovy word choice, nice way to subtly/not-so-subtly let us know "by the way, he might still kind of be tripping balls." I wonder how Culber feels about this.
- Okay, question: Burnham says that she was attacked by Logic Extremists (okay, sure) at the school she was at and that's when Sarek gave her part of his katra and saved her and all. Which. I could have sworn that before we said that that was during the Klingon attack that killed her parents? It... it was Klingons who killed her parents, right, not Logic Extremists? I'm so confused right now.
- Hey, look, it's Amanda! And oh god it's Vulcan!Burnham again. Oh god I don't like Vulcan!Burnham. Eugh. Less of her, please. I love Burnham when she has feelings, I so don't like her when she's doing full-on Vulcan, though.
- Poor Saru, he was barely in this episode!
- Oh look, people were right that Admiral Kat and Lorca are former lovers. That's nice. Except how he nearly killed her because PTSD, and then she was all "you should be relieved of duty but for some reason I'm not actually going to do that right this minute" and then he was all "Hey, let's send HER to the Klingons and then she got captured and suddenly he's very concerned with checking up the chain of command and making sure we follow orders. Hey, Admiral Kat, just a thought, but maybe you should have filed the paperwork before you left, so that someone back at Starfleet would know how Lorca is totally bugfuck and should probably not be commanding the most powerful ship in the fleet because he's unstable?!
- Honestly, though, sending her off to be captured by the Klingons was way better than what I thought, which was that he was going to kill her right there and find some way to excuse it or hide it from his crew. Especially after Burnham saying she's glad to serve under a captain like him, which, okay, sure, you totally look like you're feeling that statement, Burnham. PS, don't trust that fucker.
- It might just be me, but I sort of feel like showing up to check on your ex who seems to be behaving in an unstable manner lately and then having sex with him and then going off on how he's changed so much he's not the man you knew... might be both cliche and also a little bit, er, disordered. Like, were you worried beforehand? If so, why did you sleep with him? If not, what about sleeping with him made you suddenly realize? Was it just the awakened-suddenly-PTSD-murder-ness?
- Ha, Tyler is so sweet and perfect that even if I hadn't run up against this theory and then put all the pieces together I'd be like "Wait, we already Tilly and Burnham AND Culber, why do we suddenly have another cinnamon roll? I AM SUSPICIOUS."
- Still working on the assumption that Tyler is a sleeper agent and therefore thinks he is the guy he seems to be. That... really just adds to my confusion on the subject of him, but it also seems a lot more likely than the idea that Voq is actually able to pretend to be a Human this well.
- "This is being Human." LIKE YOU'D KNOW, YOU FACE-EATING SON OF A TARG. Damn that's a good anxiety-heightening line, though. SUSPENNNNNNNNSE. Also, auuuuugh, did you personally kill the real Lt. Tyler, or did L'Rell do that for you?
- Burnham I love you but could you not maybe have had this realization about how your shitty foster father is never going to live up to your emotional needs while you were on the Shenzhou? I feel like Georgiou would have been very proud of this development.
- "We've met." NO KIDDING, SHOW. Do you think you might be laying it on a little bit thick, here, guys? AND YET I AM SO INVESTED.
Next week: a classic "stuck in a loop" episode! And also Tyler and Burnham kissing. Oh god, I am so conflicted. By which I mean "yay cute characters together WAIT OH GOD NO STOP DON'T DO THAT I NEED BRAIN BLEACH AND MOUTHWASH."
Re: Haven't seen it yet, but whatevs, gonna comment anyway!
Date: 2017-10-23 08:42 pm (UTC)That's such a great speech. ♥
Seriously, though, Vulcans talk a good talk about logic, but they never quite walk the walk. I've never been sure if this is because the writers aren't actually very logical, or if this is intended behavior.
Yeah... I think it's at least partly that the writers are always coming at the Vulcans from the perspective of "but Humans are better." We're always the ones who turn out to be right in the end. We're not as hot-headed as the Klingons or Andorians, not as coldly logical as the Vulcans... we're the Goldilocks species. And therefore everyone else's perspectives are often a little bit tweaked so as to make them more overly wrong and us right.
Their continuity editor came out of the same pool as Voyager's Native American Guide.
Eugh, don't even suggest such a horrifying thought.
I'm astonished they got it that accurate. We can't even get accurate information about NYC (no alleyways!) on TV and in movies, and everybody knows NYC exists!
You know, I've been to NYC and I'm embarrassed to admit that I didn't notice that!
Do the writers think we need hints? Because pretty much the day after last week's ep aired, multiple people came to the conclusion you did and spread it all over the internets.
My take is that they aren't hinting so much as upping the dramatic tension. We, the audience, now know this terrible thing (well, two terrible things, now that we also know Lorca decided to let Callahan remain a captive of the Klingons because he doesn't want her to relieve him of duty) that the characters don't, so it leads to all sorts of audience tension.
He's a grown man. He wants to eat fries for breakfast, why the hell not? Good source of iodine and also vitamin c.
He's a grown man who was on a starvation diet recently, too. He needs the calories! I'm just curious what the strangely sassy replicator would have to say about it -- are its comments tied in with the crew's medical records, for instance? Would it praise one person's choice (Burnham's green tea, for instance), while reminding me, for instance, that I can't handle the caffeine in that tea?
Re: Haven't seen it yet, but whatevs, gonna comment anyway!
Date: 2017-10-24 02:23 am (UTC)It is. Forget all of Picard's speeches, all of Kirk's speeches - for my money, this is the very best speech in all ST.
(Though not quite as good as the time Sisko punched out Q. If Picard had given a few less speeches and a few more punches, he would've been a lot happier. Oooh, I bet he was pissed when he heard!)
Re: Haven't seen it yet, but whatevs, gonna comment anyway!
Date: 2017-10-25 03:30 am (UTC)Whenever people bitch to me about DS9, that's my first argument. Picard spent seven years getting dicked around by Q. Then Q shows up on DS9 exactly once, Sisko decks him, and he never came back again. I think that's telling. ♥
Re: Haven't seen it yet, but whatevs, gonna comment anyway!
Date: 2017-10-25 03:57 am (UTC)No, it's not. Patrick Stewart is the best.
There's a great quote from Roger Ebert after one of the TNG movies:
Patrick Stewart, as Capt. Picard, is a wonderful actor. I know because I have seen him elsewhere. It is always said of Stewart that his strength as an actor is his ability to deliver bad dialogue with utter conviction. I say it is time to stop encouraging him. Here's an idea: Instead of giving him bad dialogue, why not give him good dialogue, and see what he can do with that? Here is a man who has played Shakespeare.
Picard is not the most interesting ST character, but I'd watch Patrick Stewart describing the action of paint drying.
Re: Haven't seen it yet, but whatevs, gonna comment anyway!
Date: 2017-10-25 04:37 am (UTC)Me too. He's a genius. And that Ebert quote is spot-on. ♥